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purpledawn
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Message 31 of 66 (225081)
07-21-2005 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by JustinC
07-20-2005 4:35 PM


HFCS
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I'm going to try and stop drinking soda and caffiene to start off
That is a good start. Regular sodas which contain High Fructose Corn Syrup are worse for you than the diet ones.
Also fat in grain fed beef, which is what fast foods have, is worse for you than grassfed beef.
My Brother-in-law is thin and has been a runner since HS. He is in his forties now and still does triathelons etc.
He has very high cholesterol. He also drinks regular sodas.
Now his brother, my husband, is a chronic exerciser since HS, but he has always had a weight problem, so he never drank regular sodas. He drank diet sodas. He has never had a cholesterol problem.
Grassfed also helps in muscle building if you are interested in that.
The more chemicals you get out of your system the better for your future health, IMO.

"The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France

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Parasomnium
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Message 32 of 66 (225086)
07-21-2005 9:20 AM
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07-21-2005 8:26 AM


Re: Eggs.
schrafinator writes:
Egg yolks and whites freeze well (seperately).
Thanks for the tip. I think the unthawing should be done without a micro, because the white might easily be overheated, making it unusable for thing like meringues, right?
I have never heard of angel food cake. Sounds... well, 'heavenly' I suppose. Do you have a recipe?

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Message 33 of 66 (225091)
07-21-2005 9:43 AM
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07-21-2005 8:27 AM


Re: Eggs.
purpledawn writes:
When I changed my diet I increased the number of eggs I eat {etc.}
Thanks for your reassuring example. Today, as I wrote to Mr Jack yesterday, I had two eggs for lunch.
There are no better eggs than these: I know what I feed my chickens, they can freely roam around all over the garden (which is rather large), so they can also eat as many (high-protein) insects, snails and worms as they can find, and they can pick up vegetable stuff too. (They even eat from my strawberries and tomatoes, which I don't mind.) They drink only rain water and water I pump up from deep down in the ground.
I put a date on each individual egg and I know which egg was laid by which chicken - they have names! - just by looking at its shape. What more could a consumer want concerning their eggs?

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CanadianSteve
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Message 34 of 66 (225107)
07-21-2005 11:01 AM
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07-21-2005 8:38 AM


I don't think I care to start a new thread, although if you do I'll post there. If you're interested in discussing this privately, I'de be glad to give you my email address, if that's allowed here.

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Message 35 of 66 (225208)
07-21-2005 4:08 PM
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07-21-2005 9:20 AM


Re: Eggs.
Yes, defrost them in the fridge overnight.
Angelfood cake is good if you like it sweet and airy.
Here's a good recipe with almonds.
link
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purpledawn
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Message 36 of 66 (225426)
07-22-2005 7:50 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Parasomnium
07-21-2005 9:43 AM


Chicken Question
I grew up on a farm, but we never had chickens.
Right now I get my eggs from an organic farmer I know down the road.
I want to have some chickens in my yard. How hard is it to keep the chickens in the yard? I'm in the midwest so we can have some very cold winters.
I was thinking of Buff Orpingtons which I think is a dual purpose chicken.
Any tips, suggestions on getting started?

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Parasomnium
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Message 37 of 66 (225448)
07-22-2005 10:20 AM
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07-21-2005 4:08 PM


Re: Eggs.
schrafinator writes:
Here's a good recipe with almonds.
Thank you, it seems delicious, I'll try it.

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Message 38 of 66 (225452)
07-22-2005 10:36 AM
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07-22-2005 7:50 AM


Re: Chicken Question
Purpledawn writes:
I want to have some chickens in my yard. How hard is it to keep the chickens in the yard? [...] Any tips, suggestions on getting started?
Let me start by telling you I am a relative beginner myself, when it comes to keeping chickens, although I have learned a lot since I started. Here's the story, I hope you can get someting out of it.
About a year and a half ago, my girl friend and I bought a house out in the country. The previous owner had four chickens roaming about. He was moving to a place where he could no longer keep the chickens, so we agreed they would stay. When we moved into the house a couple of months afterwards, one chicken had been dispatched to chicken heaven by a bird of prey.
In our first spring there, one of the three remaining chickens started brooding. The eggs it sat on were of course not fertilised, so it would be to no avail. But I work for a firm that has its main office in an old mansion with some privately owned buildings around it where people live. These people have chickens. So I asked them if I could have some fertilised eggs. They gave me two - they had no more - and I put them under my brooding chicken. Sure enough, three weeks later, we heard high pitched sounds coming from under the chicken. The next day we saw the chicks, a black one and a yellow one.
Now comes a bit of a sad part. Having no experience with chickens, we took no precautions against what happened next. The yellow chick saw its 'mother' drinking from a small water basin, and young chicks copy their mother in everything. But the chick couldn't reach over the edge, so it jumped over it. It then fell into the water and couldn't get out anymore. This happened out of our sight, so we only found it when it was too late. The black chick grew up into a healthy young cockerel. But when it was about six months old, another bird of prey paid us a visit and we were back to square one.
Last spring, I asked those same people for some eggs again - this time they gave me six - and I put them under the same chicken again, when it started brooding. Three weeks later, we had five healthy chicks - one egg had failed to hatch. Those chicks survive until this day, they are now about eleven weeks old. One of them is certainly a cockerel, another one we are not entirely sure about, but it looks like it's a cockerel as well, and the other three are very probably hens. They are Cochins, by the way, and they are all buff coloured. Cochins have a lot of feathers on their legs, right up to their toes, so it looks rather as if they are wearing trousers. It's very funny to see them running.
Since they were hatched here, they think of it as home. (The first weeks, they were practically glued to 'mum' anyway.) I didn't want to buy chickens, because you have to lock them up the first period of time, to make them stay. Besides, there would undoubtedly be some animosity between the old residents and the newcomers, and we didn't want all that. So hatching them was the ideal way of getting more chickens.
The point of telling you all this is that I have no experience with starting to keep chickens by getting them from elsewhere. They didn't move in with us after all, we moved in with them.
But as to keeping them once they are at home, well, for us, it isn't hard at all. All we do is throw them a few handfuls of seeds every morning and afternoon, fill up a bowl of special chicken feed and a (safe!) container of water. I've also made some modifications to their night pen. Since we have foxes in the neighbourhood, I always lock the pen for the night. But, especially in the weekends, I don't want to get up early to let them out again. So I made a construction with a trip board and a weight connected to a small door, and now they can open it themselves. It works! It's a bit like a trap mechanism, only this 'trap' sets them free instead of catching them. All I have to do in the evening, when they are all in, is set the trap.
Until recently, the young ones slept in the nest they were hatched in, which was a small enclosure with a flat roof on it. Lately, they had taken to sitting on the roof, instead of under it. Apparently, they wanted to move up on the ladder of life. So I removed the nest and put some wooden beams in their place, about a few square inches thick, at about the height of the former roof. They immmediately got the idea and now they sit there every night.
Since there was actually only one really suitable ready made place for the old ones to lay their eggs, sometimes, when it was occupied by one of them, the other ones went off to lay somewhere in the garden. Our garden is rather large, so you can imagine that I have spent quite some time finding the damned eggs. So, a short while ago, with the young chickens in mind, who will start laying soon, I have built some nests inside the pen, nice small enclosures - the way I'm told chickens like it - with straw on the floor and an artifical egg in them, to get them in the right mood. The very next day after I finished the nests, they laid their eggs in them, can you believe it? I've made a slanted roof on the nests this time, so there will be no sitting - and, more importantly, no shitting - on the roof.
If you make these beams for them to sit on at night, make sure you don't put them all at the same height, because the seniors will want to sit higher. Also make sure there is enough fresh air - but no draft! - where they sit. I don't think cold is a problem, unless you happen on a nuclear winter, in which case you have other problems to worry about.
I don't know much about races, so I can't help you there. So, what more can I tell you? Nothing much, really. If you start keeping chickens, let me know how you fare.
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Faith 
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Message 39 of 66 (225453)
07-22-2005 11:01 AM
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07-22-2005 10:36 AM


Re: Chicken Question
I just have to comment, that's a wonderful story to read, nicely told. And I'm interested myself in having chickens though I don't live where I can at the moment, so it is also useful information for when I can. Thanks.

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purpledawn
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Message 40 of 66 (225498)
07-22-2005 1:53 PM
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07-22-2005 10:36 AM


Re: Chicken Question
Your tale is helpful and gives me ideas. Looks like we could make the chicken shelter this fall and then should be able to start chickens in the spring if all goes well.
Thanks for sharing.

"The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France

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lfen
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Message 41 of 66 (225506)
07-22-2005 2:11 PM
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07-21-2005 4:46 AM


I believe it's because the heart has to pump harder to get it all round your body because of the greater height it has to be pushed to.
Mr. Jack,
That simply doesn't make sense. Pumping harder doesn't lead to heart attacks it's leads to a stronger heart. Consider athletes.
Heart attack generally refers to coronary artery disease leading to blockages of the blood supply to the heart by clots plugging the narrowed arteries. There are also problems with the pace maker and such. I don't know what genetics might corelate height and heart problems. If you can't cite a study to the effect height has an effect I suggest this notion be relegated to the status of an urban myth.
lfen

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Parasomnium
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Message 42 of 66 (225524)
07-22-2005 2:59 PM
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07-22-2005 11:01 AM


Re: Chicken Question
Faith writes:
I just have to comment, that's a wonderful story to read, nicely told.
You have no idea how much it pleases me that you say that, Faith. I derive a lot of pleasure just from reading and writing in English, my favourite foreign language, so your compliment is the best "thank you" I could hope for.
Neither my girl friend nor I had ever expected that keeping chickens would be such a fun thing to do. Free roaming chickens are very decorative in your garden and they are also very friendly animals which become centered on humans very easily. When I come home from work, they come running towards me. (I suppose we could have children for that purpose, but it turns out that chickens are a lot cheaper.)

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Message 43 of 66 (225526)
07-22-2005 2:59 PM
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Re: Chicken Question
purpledawn writes:
Your tale is helpful and gives me ideas. Looks like we could make the chicken shelter this fall and then should be able to start chickens in the spring if all goes well.
Thanks for sharing.
As you can understand from my reply to Faith, the pleasure is mine. I hope your plans turn out well. Let me know.

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Faith 
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Message 44 of 66 (225620)
07-23-2005 1:07 AM
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07-22-2005 2:59 PM


Re: Chicken Question
Foreign language? There's not the slightest hint of foreignness in your writing. What is your native language?
And I'm sorry to hear that chickens are so friendly and lovable. I hoped to kill them and eat them from time to time. Now I'll never be able to do that!
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Message 45 of 66 (226104)
07-25-2005 3:03 AM
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Re: Chicken Question
Faith writes:
Foreign language? There's not the slightest hint of foreignness in your writing. What is your native language?
It's Dutch.
Faith writes:
And I'm sorry to hear that chickens are so friendly and lovable. I hoped to kill them and eat them from time to time. Now I'll never be able to do that!
If you do as I did, and give them names, then, no, I don't think you'll ever kill one of them. When our first two chicks died, there were even some tears to be shed.

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