Gay bashing versus christian bashing

Someone just sent me a link to this vid. It's pretty interesting.

Good video, thanks for sharing!I think a black man could make a similar argument, but both would lose out to a Jewish person as far as being able to document a history of unfounded persecution.Anything the ID'ers and such can do for attention, I suppose...

or romani or any group subject to lethal discrimination.See also The bigotry of atheists threadThese are both in response to the complaint made by Bertot the "bigotry and intolerance of the Atheistic Secular Fundamentalists twords nearly all religion and Theism".Of course fundamentalist christians also like to play the "victim card," regardless of how much they victimize others.Enjoy

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Don't forget that homsexuals were also rounded up and placed in the concentration camps of Nazi Germany. But, anyway, misery poker is a dumb game.

I guess a better way to have put it would be that LOTS of groups of people have actually been persecuted and abused/"cleansed"/wiped out in a manner more honest to the claim.Perhaps the scientific communities' effort to correct wrong info IS a persecution of sorts...I'm just not seeing how it's bad.

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I think instead of looking at all of the bad things that have happened to people based on race/creed/ethnicity/gender/sexual orientation, we should more focus on the point of this video: language is a powerful force, and an important instrument in both the oppression of people and their ability to fight back. When dealing with situations such as the co-opting of "bashing" by the religious right, the often dismissive claim that "it's just semantics" is really the crux of the issue.

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I remember seeing a documentary on the holocaust and gay people. There was an old man who was a victim of it. He told his story. He was in Germany in the 30s and was in a momogomous relationship with another man. When the nazis took over, they were both rounded up and sent to concentration camp. His partner did not survive. After the war, he joined the various human rights groups to campaign against bigotry and intolerance.The interview occurred in the 80's. There were two things he said that I thought was especially important.(1) He never stopped loving his partner, even after almost 50 years after losing him to the death camp.(2) He said that nowadays you could be a jew or black or gypsie and nobody would care. But somehow, the homosexuals were forgotten.He said these two things and almost broke into tears. Why? Because to this day (21st century), holocaust memorials in Europe still refuse to recognize homosexuals as victims of the holocaust. Heck, religious bigots like buzsaw still refuse to recognize homosexuals their rights. Over 50 years after the holocaust, homosexuals are still fighting for the most basic human rights imaginable.

most basic huuman rights like what? homosexuals are not protected by the bill of rights!?! they cannot vote? I was unaware of this. [sarcasm]I am not sure how things are in Germany, but i think they have these right in the USA.

Oh yeah, they are treated just like everybody else in the USA aren't they.....

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Only if they keep there mouths shut and don't "act" gay, than possibly.

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Hi Stagamancer, I couldn't agree more. In fact, in a civilized, intelligent society it is the only means of persuation, oppression and control. No longer is the whip used to control people, it is now done through the art of bias propaganda and mass hysteria. The tool is the media. The sheep are us. The oppressors are the people in power. As long as this method of persuding majority opinion is seen as, like you say "just semantics", or "benign", it will go un-challenged and therefore continue to rule our opinions and values.

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Hi DA, Even then they are not free from persecution. In many cases the person who is gay has never "acted" gay. Sometimes people just knowing that they are gay will be prejudism, even when the gay person has never been openly gay. I think it's just the meer fact that they are gay, and not so much that they act gay or openly speak about being gay.

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It's sad isn't it. Oh, and Artemis, you asked how things were in Germany? Well, they're pretty much accepted there, and in my country they can even marry, yes marry, just like everyone else.

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Gay marriage, no pot restrictions, high degree of atheists? I think we know where the next sodom and gomorrah will be taking place.Run Huntard! And don't look back!

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"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky