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Omnivorous
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Message 1 of 19 (273253)
12-27-2005 2:45 PM


This topic is to move a discussion of media reform away from a thread where it is off-topic. I apologize for the lengthy cut-and-paste, but it seems best to move it in full context.
In discussing a poll about impeaching George Bush, Moose noted:
Added by second edit: We need to fix the news/information media also.
I took the off-topic ball and ran with it:
Omnivorous writes:
I agree, moose. The Fourth Estate is in a shambles: we can't straighten out the nation without a return to form of an aggressively independent press.
On one hand, we have the deliberate seduction of the press in return for access, with critical reporters shunned; on the other, the sealing off of traditional flows of information to the press, with the government classifying documents at nearly ten times the rate of the Clinton (or prior) administrations while bringing the process of declassification of older records nearly to a halt. Governmental agencies and departments have been instructed to aggressively resist FOIA requests that were once routinely granted.
The Bush administration has always excelled at denying access to critical reporters, while rewarding supporters with leaks: this coziness helped conduct the Iraqi WMD charade. Concomitantly, media conglomeration has facilitated all the above by bringing the interests of media owners in line with GOP funders--huge corporations that at best prefer to sell entertainment and at worst profit from deliberately slanting or withholding information.
We could go on and on about media failures in recent years, but for me it culminated with the NYT admitting it sat on the warrantless eavesdropping story prior to the 2004 election. I cannot stop marvelling at how much has been lost when the supposed "newspaper of record"--and oft-accused liberal bastion--would spike a story of deliberate, unConstitutional malfeasance at the perpetrator's request. We are in deep, deep trouble.
This is not a smilie--it's really how I look when I think about it.
The GOP Congress' response to leaks about a torture gulag is to investigate the leak: both the gulag and the response falls so short of "We hold these truths to be self evident..." that I sometimes fear the damage is beyond repair.
Would Watergate be uncovered today? We had one of the two Watergate luminaries pooh-poohing the seriousness of the Valerie Plame leaks, insisting they couldn't possibly be part of an Administration leak-smear, when he had himself received the same leaked info from Karl Rove. How far that is to fall...
Could the Pentagon Papers be published? Or would the source and the publisher merely disappear into the enemy combatant gulag--no warrant, no court appearance, no lawyer, no habeas corpus? Perhaps after Homeland Security Agents stop the presses? None of that sounds far-fetched to me--the Attorney General has explicitly argued that the president has the power to declare any U.S. citizen an enemy combatant without review by the courts. We are terrifyingly close to that abyss; history shows us how quickly the distance from Republic to regime can be traveled.
I am anxious to see what happens in the first half of 2006. The WH lost some ground on this front with the Rove leak scandal, the pay-offs to columnists for pro-Administration propaganda, government-supplied video segments being passed off as independent news, etc. Most U.S. voters feel they were misled by the Bush administration on WMDs and the Iraqi invasion.
Like the Democrats and the left in general, the media desperately need to regrow a backbone. There are a few encouraging signs, but they remain pitifully few.
Theus replied with a somewhat different perspective on systemic media reform vs. the need for greater individual integrity:
Theus writes:
Unfortunately, we need more than a simple change in the media. Think of the long term, we need a media that doesnt give a $#^$@# about public perception. We need a media that has secure enough funding so as not to cater to the public's demand for access in Brad Pitt and Jolie's bedroom. This is not a failing of individuals in the media, it's the failure of a system dependent upon profits.
Granted, this is still a step up from the dissimenation of information in the past, but we need to generate lofty goals to design a system around... As it is two few hands cradle the fourth estate, all of which have the same goal.
Think about it, if a movie by Michael Moore can hit high attendence in movie theaters, then the media is failing, because there certainly is demand for critical reporting (though arguably inaccurate).
But even at that are we assuming that the people will make the right decision if the news is reported a certain way? Is the question itself not based on liberal leanings? I think the real answer won't come from such short sighted debate. We need to define and articulate an argument for an ideal media, similar to what Enlightenment-era thinkers did when looking at the control and connections between religion and government.
I responded by insisting on both:
Omnivorous writes:
Theus writes:
Unfortunately, we need more than a simple change in the media. Think of the long term, we need a media that doesnt give a $#^$@# about public perception. We need a media that has secure enough funding so as not to cater to the public's demand for access in Brad Pitt and Jolie's bedroom. This is not a failing of individuals in the media, it's the failure of a system dependent upon profits.
Rather, it s a failure of both. As I noted, media conglomerates, concentrating the media outlets in fewer and fewer hands, have had a pernicious effect; however, the failures of individual journalists to maintain the standards, ethical and otherwise, of their profession in recent years have been spectacular. The print and broadcast media in the U.S. have always been dependent on profits, but they have often risen far above their current performance.
Theus writes:
But even at that are we assuming that the people will make the right decision if the news is reported a certain way? Is the question itself not based on liberal leanings?
Well, I don't have liberal leanings--I'm a flat-out radical socialist, I suppose, as much as anything, leavened with libertarian and anarchist tendencies on specific issues and registered as an independent.
Over the years, I have voted for candidates in many different parties. But the only "certain way" I want the news reported is honestly and aggressively. Yes, I am assuming people make better decisions if they have more accurate information; that is not a liberal strain of American thought but a founding principle.
Theus writes:
I think the real answer won't come from such short sighted debate. We need to define and articulate an argument for an ideal media, similar to what Enlightenment-era thinkers did when looking at the control and connections between religion and government.
A debate about ideals is always welcome, but I don't think we have to redefine the Fourth Estate before we address the most execrable current abuses, beginning with reporters who are "in-bedded" with the current administration and with media conglomerates which could not have been formed in a stricter anti-trust environment: a man with a leaking roof is not short-sighted because he tar-papers over the leaks before rebuilding the entire roof--especially in a hard rain.
The Fourth Estate problems are both systemic and individual; in the past, the integrity of individual reporters has been a brake on the ideological and economic corruption of a free press; I think that can be true again, making a dramatic, immediate difference, while we work on longer term reforms.
If there is interest, let's pick up that discussion here.

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Message 9 of 19 (274112)
12-30-2005 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by nwr
12-27-2005 3:03 PM


nwr writes:
The reports I hear suggest that many people get their information from talk radio, MTV, the tabloids, and other equally dubious sources.
Hi, nwr. I'm playing catch-up ball on this thread...
Your point is echoed by jar's comment below on "proliferation of outlets." Now, ICSATJB*, but it seems to me this creates almost paradoxical problems of too much and too little.
Clearly, traditional sources of information have deteriorated, and new outlets open already fully deteriorated.
More recently we also have the problems of both babble and isolation: on one hand a contradictory chorus of uncertain origin, on the other the increasing power to hear only what one wants to hear.
With all media tuneable, and made mobile with inter-medium replication and home recording technologies, we don't have to listen to a single word of disagreement if we don't want to.
That can't be good.
*I Can't Speak As To Jar's Beliefs

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Message 10 of 19 (274121)
12-30-2005 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Theus
12-28-2005 1:02 AM


Re: Ooops.
Theus writes:
I fear I misrepresented myself. A failure of the system preludes a failure of the people. There will be an assortment of good and bad in any system, but the system itself will allow succesfull passage of idiots who maintain the status quo... from embedded journalists to witch burnings.
We cannot control people, nor should we when it comes to their ideals and beliefs, however much we disagree. But we can reform a system, which is where I think the best effort can be pushed.
I do support systemic reform, Theus--no argument there.
But I do think you draw too sharp a line between the people and the system and underestimate the impact a few committed individuals can have. While "we" cannot control people, "we" can influence their behaviors: that is what a system does.
Systems are created by people, maintained by them, improved by them, and corrupted by them. When a system approaches failure, the responsibility lies with people, both those who comprise it and those who are "served" by it.
Not only the president has a bully pulpit: the demand for fair and accurate reporting, and the rejection of its evil twin, can and does embolden a reporter or publisher to a better embrace of their ethical ideals.
The problem of U.S. media is acute, contributing to a heightened possibility of pernicious change to our rights and liberties. I agree with the necessity of long-term reform, but in the long run, we are all dead--or silenced.
Individuals of integrity can galvanize the need for systemic reform, and reform is usually driven by present, undeniable revelations of the problem; those revelations can also prevent some worst case scenarios while we address the system entire.
Raise hell now. Plan heaven later.
NB: BTW, the population figures are interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if more rigorous work would show near universal size limits for human loyalties, with steps up from band, tribe, and clan to kingdom, state and nation.

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Message 11 of 19 (274126)
12-30-2005 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by jar
12-27-2005 4:08 PM


jar writes:
In the past, there was an inviolable separation between news, editorial and advertising.
I don't think the separation was ever inviolable. Certainly from the time I began working in print media in the early 1070s, the editorial wall was quite porous.
Publishers and senior editors have always wrestled over reporting critical of advertisers and local powers-that-be; reporters often internalized those limits. Extended features often appeared in the days prior to a big sale of related items--general information that became news because of editorial knowledge about advertising interests. Those lines of communication were always open and sometimes abused.
But I do agree the problem is much greater now, in part because media conglomerates have swallowed the traditional publishing families' interests. News was always produced for profit, but the effort carried a cachet of noblesse oblige, of a public trust; that traditional system was flawed, as all systems are, but it scored some brilliant successes, and overall served the Republic well.
Now news "products" are a commodity like any other, and the senior production executives are divorced from any principle but profit, with no personal stake in an ameliorating tradition. The social and cultural checks and balances that helped prevent this before have evaporated, and nothing has yet developed to take their place. Still, critical and vocal news consumers can make a difference now.
I suspect that one day soon we will see the rediscovery by the media that there is a market for speaking truth to power--there is a lot of money in the truth.

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Message 12 of 19 (274133)
12-30-2005 9:29 AM
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12-28-2005 6:23 AM


holmes writes:
I do agree that the ability of profit motive to influence reporting is a major problem, but I have to note that that is more an indictment of the people of the United States than the individuals running for profit media companies.
If there was profit in good reporting, then most companies would follow demand. Apparently most people only want infotainment (at best) and so that is where the profit is. Facts should not be followed to conclusion, but rather "debates" to their conclusion (which is yelling and screaming with more to follow later).
The journalists now must keep these "debates" alive through pretense that all sides must simply be heard and not accurately fact or logic checked. And if any facts might overtly injure one side, especially a very powerful side, then it must be kept out of the debate.
We can all fault the media moguls and journalists for not having the sense of civic duty that they should have, but that is to shift the burden off the shoulders of the much greater force who have lost their sense of civic duty.
I largely agree, holmes, though I believe the market for "infotaintment"--like the market for many other things--is largely a market created by the seller.
More broadly, I believe it is result of a decades-long reactionary process against democratic reform: the voting enfranchisement of women, racial minorities, the strength of organized labor to counter capital, etc., led to a coupe de media: every revolutionary knows to seize the means of communication first, and the reactionary forces in the U.S. have done so.
If the people show an inconvenient tendency to vote for fair play, social justice, and accountability, then a redefinition of what those terms mean can subvert that tendency. Is there a coalition of urban and rural working classes, racial minorities, and progressives? Those can be split up with race cards, culture wars, and union busting. The great victory of the GOP in the second half of the 20th century was to shift the focus from the overwhelmingly common interest of the working and middle classes to the politics of race and religion.
It is not merely that the great unwashed prefer junk news; the media have become propaganda organs for the propertied elite, and the present bread-and-circuses state of affairs is both a consequence and a distraction. This media whore wasn't summoned; s/he was pimped.
But money and power will always work to enlarge their kingdoms. Any system will have to struggle with this.
Still, I agree that the best hope of near-term change lies on the demand side of the equation. Vocally demanding real information and accurate news, loudly critiquing slipshod or propagandistic media drivel--these are indeed civic duties, and the ground of real reform.

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Message 15 of 19 (274158)
12-30-2005 10:08 AM
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12-28-2005 10:34 AM


Information Specialists
What a load of crap.
I served as a US Army "information specialist" during and after Nam, intitally in a combat engineer batalliion with duties as combat engineer, squad leader and battalion newspaper editor, then later in a HQ PAO in a combined joint forces and United Nations command. My first sergeant was the last active duty member of Merrill's Marauders: "Soldier, first you build the bridge, then you lead your squad across to secure it. Then you fall in behind the infantry until we reach the next river. You can write stories when there is nothing else to do."
I've witnessed and worked at military journalism from the killing field to the embassy linen levels.
Reporters escorted by Public Affairs keepers usually learn little because that is what the PA keeper does. Good reporters get outside the tent and find their own stories.
True, I saw famous reporters arrive with their stories already written (pro and con), arriving in-country mostly for the cheap food, young hookers, and easy graft of black-market-scotch- in/antiquities-out: via military planes, of course, with the transgression winked at in hopes of friendlier coverage.
Some reporters, however, came to do their jobs and did them. One of their most important sources of good info was the miliatry photojournalist grunt, sick of watching his or her good reporting on important troop issues disappear into the command censorship maw. We leaked stories to Stars&Stripes and newswire reporters regularly--as did the command when it suited their purpose.
Military reporters often report quite well; what gets printed, however, is what the command wants to see in print. Expecting good information from military media is like looking for real love in a brothel.
Incidentally, that reporter was giving more credit than was due, thinking the plane was being moved about for shrewd purposes, rather than being shuffled around by a SNAFU combination of whim and incompetence. I'd bet dollars to donuts that reporter asked why the plane was being moved so many times, and a too-clever PA officer replied with some bull close to what the reporter wrote.
If the Afghani photo-hog explained his motives the way they were reported, and his explanation was correctly attributed, then the reporter performed correctly; if there was an alternate explanation that would have improved the reporter's understanding and reporting, and the PAO didn't provide it, whose fault is that?
An organization that works hard to neuter the press shouldn't be surprised--and has no reasonable right to be critical--when the effort splatters on the page in unexpected ways.

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Message 16 of 19 (274159)
12-30-2005 10:17 AM
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Re: Omni's age
nwr writes:
You are a little older than I imagined, Omnivorous
I probably am, but not that much...still, it's too funny to fix.
"Yep, sonny, and then that Gutenberg feller came along and by golly he really shook things up! Next thing you know, people are being hanged for printing the Bible in Englsih and I don't know what all!"

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Message 17 of 19 (274167)
12-30-2005 10:50 AM
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No grand strategy
Theus writes:
You win. Now, the key question is how do you go from such a philosophy to action?
Hi, Theus. I hope we all win.
I have no grand schemes. We can vote with our dollars as consumers of information; we can praise and support integrity; we can critique and protest propaganda and drivel.
Voting for candidates who have resisted or plan to resist media conglomeratization (on both sides of the aisle) and against those who promote it is one way; registering dismay with elected representatives over government-bought media deception is another.
Letters (and e-mail) to editors and reporters, to praise or challenge, have considerable impact. Individual voices do add up in Washington and in the marketplace.
I see that kind of media consumer activism working in two ways: to spotlight and reject the worst current abuses, and to inspire a discussion of systemic change to discourage them.

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Message 19 of 19 (274209)
12-30-2005 1:48 PM
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Point taken, holmes. I have known some righteous whores, and I definitely respect sex workers more than media cartel executives--and your's is a fairer statement about both.
Even if they do their jobs equally well, only one is likely to give you a fucking you'll truly enjoy, and it ain't the TV guy.

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