Terrorism in London

My prayers are going out to all who were injured.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

That's a great suggestion. If you check the historical records those cities are Paris, London, New York, Miami, Rio, Calcutta, Bonn, Madrid, Jakarta, Mexico City, Montreal, Cario, Buenos Aires, Dallas, Los Angeles, ...

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Where does that suggest invading Iraq or that Iraq is a sponsor of Islamic Terrorism?After we deal with this first quote we will look at each succeeding quote to see if they actually support your assertions.This message has been edited by jar, 07-08-2005 05:47 PM

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sorry but you still didn't answer my question.Where does that show any connection with Terrorism?While invasion is always an option, so far there is nothing in that quote to suggest it's needed.Are you ready to agree this one shows no support that Iraq was involved in terrorism or that invasion was needed? If so we can move on to the next quote.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You posted the quotes as support. All we can deal with is the content of the quotes you provided.Where in the quote is there support for "Iraq’s continous, unending pattern of deception and defiance."?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Actually, many of us were very concerned about terrorism long before 9-11. In particular, we long argued that the idea of supporting and encouraging terrorism such as under the Reagan administration was a two edged sword. It was sure to come back to haunt us.We also are concerned today with terrorism. Our biggest worry is that the Bush Doctrine is doing nothing to address the issue of terrorism. Instead it is using the few resources available in a totally unneeded personal agenda.The rest of your post has nothing to do with the thread.So do you want to go down your list quote by quote so you can show how they connect Iraq and terrorism?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You're right, it is pretty much off topic. But if you ever come up with anything that points that way, please let us know.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Well, if you'd like we can work through these one at a time.Let's begin with Powell at the UN. If you watched some of his presentations there they can only be described as embarassing. In particular his drawings of the mobile WMD factories were certainly up to what one would expect from some fifth grade science fair. That makes it pretty hard to credit any of his testamony related to this.Now let's start down the rest of your list. Okay, let's examine this in relation to terrorism.This was an attempt on the life of Former President Bush and possibly the Emir of Kuwait.Did anything happen prior to 1993 that might provide a different motive than terrorism?Once we get this one dealt with we can work our way down your examples one at a time if you'd like.

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Is it terrorism? Could there be some other explanation? Do I really have to spell it out for you?As to Powell. No it was not just the art work, although that was about like a pre-k fingerpainting you'd find on Mommy's refrigerator.The evidence that the Administration presented to the UN was inconvincing then, and we now know that most of it was cooked. Frankly, compared to the presentations that Kennedy made to the public in general as well as the UN (I happened to see them as well), the performance of the Bush Administration was sophomoric at best. They had no evidence. They still have found no evidence.Once we deal with your first example we can go on, but so far I don't see terrorism in the attempted assasination of former President Bush. Looks like pretty straight forward revenge to me.Makes you wonder if the invasion was not just the kid's car bomb.

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Let's examine your assertions. How then have the terrorists been able to carry out a near continuous string of successful attacks such as in Russia, Madrid and London? How much money are they spending in Iraq? How is that effort connected to invading Iraq? Could the money flow have been attacked without invading Iraq?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

So we are not supposed to examine your assertions?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Let's try to address the points you raised.Compare these photos from the Kennedy presentation to those you posted from the Iraq presentation.One shows actual evidence.The other is filled supposition and innuendo. There is a drawing of a truck. A picture where the caption begins "Probable". Then a few more drawings. The report goes on to explain that the units actually could have a legitimate use and purpose and that there was no actual evidence they were NOT used for the original purpose.Now let's address the relocation of any WMDs that might have been there.Duh!This message has been edited by jar, 07-09-2005 12:17 PM

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I'm sure that the American Indians, the Aztecs, and the Incas are glad to hear that. I imagine that the Hawaiians really appreciated Reverend Dole stealing their nation as well.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Are you serious?Do you know where the word Democracy comes from?I hear that claim from Fundamentalists quite often but it's another one that is simply wrong. Christianity played no part in developing democracy. In fact, Christianity has been a characteristic of both the most open, democratic societies and the most despotic.

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While you may not have run into such a church, they certainly do exist. If you'll check each of the confrontations regarding teaching Creationism you'll find that Christian Church groups have been vocal opponents and among the most vocal supporters for teaching the Theory of Evolution. Again, just because you have not heard of such a church, you should have run into Christians here at EvC that have decried such behavior. In addition, not long ago I posted a link to just such a Christian organization. You can find it at Message 1.

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