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Topic: Abortion questions...?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Just out of curiosity, do you eat meat? I mean, I'm wondering if you make the same distinction between a warm-and-fuzzy animal and a tasty one as you make between a baby and a fetus.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: meat eaders!!!
LudoRephaim writes: I make no distintcions between babies and "fetuses". And the way you are using it, it's not a good analogy, since humans are not on dah menu I didn't mean it as an analogy - I was just wondering if you saw a similarity. Clearly, you don't.  I agree with you on meat-eating and I agree with Mod on abortion. I don't "support" abortion, but I support a woman's right to make her own choice. Similarly, I don't support eating vanilla ice cream, but I support a person's right to make that choice.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Vanillia Ice Cream
LudoRephaim writes: You dont like Vanilla Ice Cream Ringo? I'm just saying it isn't my first choice - just like it isn't your first choice. Neither is abortion my first choice. But I don't tell other people what ice cream to choose and I don't tell other people what other options to choose.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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LudoRephaim writes: It is degrading to animals to call humans an animal. They dont want to be associated with us for ANY reason whatever lol. I suspect the chimps don't like to admit we're related to them. 
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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LudoRephaim writes: Im human and I dont want to admit it It's interesting that you have such a low regard for humanity and such a high regard for fetuses.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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LudoRephaim writes: I also have high regard for fetuses/varmints/babies outside the womb and some kids as well. In case you missed my point completely, I was expressing my dismay at your low regard for the human race in general. One might think that you should be pro-abortion if you're so concerned about the little guys growing up to be terrorists and TV-show-cancellers. But it seems typical of "pro-lifers" that they have an ill-concealed contempt for humanity.
I've never heared a fetus promoting the metric system or killing out the California Texas and other Grizzlies of the lower states This is getting more and more bizarre. You're comparing the metric system with causing extinctions? Are you aware that nearly the whole world uses the metric system?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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LudoRephaim writes: I tried to add a little humor, that's all. Maybe you're just not very good at it. Or maybe abortion is not a good subject to joke about.
Michael Moore did something similar in his recent book "Dude! where's my country" where he listed the great accomplishments and inventions of the french people, and then added "The Etch-a-sketch" as the pinnacle of them. What makes you think he was joking? 
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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LudoRephaim writes: You lay off insults in youre future posts, then I will keep from them in future posts and we will discuss this like adults. That in itself is a pretty childish statement: "You behave like an adult first and then I will." You said in the OP:
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... PLEASE BE CIVIL, NO NAME CALLING, and TRY TO SHOW RESPECT FOR OTHER PEOPLES IDEAS
Practise what you preach.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 100 of 403 (601732)
01-23-2011 6:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 94 by Buzsaw
01-23-2011 1:24 PM
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Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
In the Political Compass thread, Buzsaw writes: Regarding Abortion, I go with the Golden Rule of doing to others as I would have them do to me.
Did you notice the plural "others"? The Golden Rule requires taking the woman into consideration as well as the fetus. If you don't want to be forced to be pregnant for nine months, don't force her.
In another post in the same thread, Buzsaw writes: In most cases nobody is force into having sex.
What about the cases where she is forced?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 105 of 403 (601772)
01-24-2011 12:31 AM
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Reply to: Message 103 by Buzsaw
01-23-2011 11:33 PM
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Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
Buzsaw writes: The place to start is with those of mutual consent. The legality of exemption for others could be on a case by case basis.
The problem of exemptions is that they undermine your whole idea of "personhood". Is the fetus that was conceived out of rape less of a person?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 110 of 403 (601797)
01-24-2011 10:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 106 by Buzsaw
01-24-2011 8:18 AM
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Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
Buzsaw writes: If I had my druthers, the only exemptions would be if the physical life of the mother was in danger.
Why is the fetus less of a person if the woman's life is in danger? Since when can you choose between two persons by killing one of them?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 138 of 403 (602035)
01-25-2011 5:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 137 by onifre
01-25-2011 5:11 PM
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Soul Mathematics
onifre writes: ... if it's a soul you're destroying, wouldn't the sperm and the egg both be carrying half the soul?
And how does soul mathematics work in the case of twins?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 155 of 403 (602102)
01-26-2011 10:58 AM
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Reply to: Message 147 by slevesque
01-26-2011 3:34 AM
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Soul Math - 2nd Semester
slevesque writes: But you have to put a line somewhere, and since this is a continuum, it is not sufficient to look ''before'' and ''after'' the line, see negligeable differences, and therefore argue the line cannot be put there.
That was the point of my joke with oni about soul math. If a "person" begins when the soul enters, then it's important to know when the soul enters. Do the sperm and egg cells have half-souls that unite? Or is the soul "implanted" by God at some point in time? If so, when is that point? At conception? In the second trimester? At birth? At circumcision? (In which case, when do girls receive their souls?) At the bar/bat mitzvah? Edited by ringo, : fixed CapitalizatioN.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Catholic Scientist writes: Do you honestly believe that the main reason for protesting abortion is to make the mother feel like shit because of dislike?
This is where the Golden Rule comes in again. It isn't so much how they want the women to feel; it's how they do make the women feel. It's akin to protesting the war by going to soldiers' funerals and calling them baby-killers. It has more to do with venting than with constructive criticism.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Soul Math - 2nd Semester
slevesque writes: My personnal view, and I'll have to say it is not very popular with my christian friends, is that the line should be put at around the 100th cell division.
The question I was asking was, "When does the soul enter the body?" Are you saying that that happens at around 100 cells? Biologically, I can see your point, although an equally valid point could be made that the fetus isn't a separate entity until it can survive outside the womb, which I think is considerably later. However, the point of my question is more theological, since many opponents of abortion talk about it as killing a person, who presumably has a soul. I'm surprised that they don't have a clearer idea of where the soul comes from and when. Edited by ringo, : Changed "but" to "although".
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