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Author Topic:   Abortion questions...?
cavediver
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Message 143 of 403 (602048)
01-25-2011 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by slevesque
01-25-2011 5:28 PM


Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
Since you think it is ok to abort a foetus, does it mean it is ok to kill you ?
Of course it is ok. How could it not be? Every minute, ten children die a preventable death (just counting those under five years old.) There is no sanctity of human life - just a perceived one within your own zone of comfort.
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cavediver
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Message 206 of 403 (602265)
01-27-2011 4:17 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by slevesque
01-26-2011 3:45 AM


Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
Are you saying all these deaths are ok ?
I don't know... Western society, by its actions, says that they are ok.
Your contributions in Haiti are admirable, but fall pathetically short of what you would do for your immediate loved ones should they find themselves in that situation. You will only do so much to inconvenience yourself. As do we all, so I am not accusing you nor condemning/belittling your actions in anyway.
What you really need to ask yourself is why are you against abortion? It is simply because you are following orders. You feel that it comes from "you shall not kill", and therefore you must follow that instruction. It is not from any concern over the unborn "child"...
Let us say that the foetus is a human with a soul. If it is aborted, then from a basic evangelical Christian theology, the human child either has its name written in the book of life, or it does not. If it doesn't and is consigned to hell (fiery pit, whatever, etc), then you are worshipping a monster and the rest of us can laugh about it. If it does, then it has already achieved the goal of its human life anyway, and will only ever experience the bliss of heaven (new earth, whatever, etc). If it is born, then on simplistic probablity, the chances are it will not receive Jesus as its saviour, will die still in sin, and will end up in hell (fiery pit, whatever, etc.)
So from what exactly are you saving this unborn "child"? Why is it such a tragedy that it is not born? Is there anything beyond your attempts to follow your own interpretation of "you shall not kill"?

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cavediver
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Message 222 of 403 (602343)
01-27-2011 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by slevesque
01-27-2011 3:36 PM


Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
How does this relate to an unborn ? It is that it is their sinful nature who prevents them from entering God's presence, not his lack of love for them. And they received this sinful nature through humanity and Adam, not God.
The obvious theological debate here is for another thread, but just for now, do you then believe that all who die who have not accepted Jesus will remain separate from God, including all unborn (through both natural and intervention) and all children who die in their infancy? If you do, then your objections to abortion are obvious.

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cavediver
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Message 372 of 403 (603163)
02-03-2011 3:37 AM
Reply to: Message 369 by slevesque
02-03-2011 2:05 AM


Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
I didn't know at that age. As I said, from my personal experience, sex.ed at that age seemed to pretty directly cause the first sexual experiences for those in my class
Then you and your class must live in some kind of isolation bubble!! Did you and your peers live apart from TV, girls magazines, pornography, older siblings, older friends, etc, etc. And you lay the blame on sex-ed???? It does seem rather obvious that you grew up in a Christian household...

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