Abortion questions...?

There have been more than a few threads on the dreaded, volatile area of abortion. I've participated in one and I didn't find it to my liking much. Nearly lost Brennakimi as a freind in it (we made up later But I have decided to ask a few questions for pro-chioce people. Pro-lifies and pro-choicies can participate, but I just have to nail these few inquiries:1. Is Partial birth abortion murder? I am asking this because some say that a fetus isn't human until after it is born. If the fetus/baby is born halfway, is it human or not??2. If a baby is halfway born (partial birth), is it called a "fetaby" or a "betus"??3. Hypothetically, if it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that a fetus, all the way to an embryo, is a human being, would you still support a woman's right to choose?4.If your loveable dog is pregnant with puppies, but you dont want them and cant support them with your finances, would you abort the puppies, or give away or sell them to a family that has a desire for 'em?5. If a Fetus is not human, would it be regarded as an animal, and if so, subject to animal rights?6. If a baby is a baby after it comes out of the womans birth canal, then if a guy is making love to a woman, would he be a little less than human?7. If it was made legal to end the life of a 1-10 year old kid if the parent/parents make that choice, would you be for or against it?These are the questions I have. I dont have much time to debate a lot on this, yet I will try to respond when possible. I want to take a sit-back-and-let-the-missiles-demolish position. Pro-lifers and Pro-choicees welcome to debate. BUT PLEASE BE CIVIL, NO NAME CALLING, and TRY TO SHOW RESPECT FOR OTHER PEOPLES IDEASThank you, and happy debatiing

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Kinda insultive question. I didn't mean to be insultive in my questions, just to make a person think about the subject. Just make a reflection, that's all.BTW: I treat both the woman and the fetus/baby/thingofagig/sumtinoruther/whatchamacallit as people. But then again in the future they might make machines that are biological systems for breeding. We dont know.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Besides, slanted questions can be effectively answered.NWR: when did you stop beating your mother?Ludo: Never have. i'll sic the dog on her once in a while, but not beat 'er.or:Ludo: never did.easy as pie. Or custard. Or burgers...Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Good question dude I dont know the medical reasons why partial birth abortion is preformed (other than "practice" hehehe). And yes I do believe that it could be very rare, but I have no statistics at my beck-and-call at the moment.BTW: funny khan-crashfrog comparison lol.Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Hey Jazzns I remember Chirp having a debate with you on conscious. Was he saying that humanity is determined by consciousness? if so, if a person is knocked unconscious, are they a fetus LOL?

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Good response dude. See, anybody can respond well to even slanted questions. True. I've given away mixed breeds of dog and bought pure bred puppies. There are many families and couples and singles out there that want a dog or cat. But then again there are a few breeds that are quite undesireable in appearance or behavior (the not so cute-looking xoloitzcuintli or Mexican Hairless, or the huge Brazilian Mastiff, which is agressive) DNA could possibly help with that. The Biblical definition of bearing the "image of God" would work if religious definitions are needed. you can use other religious books as well if they have their own definitions. Dont want to leave other religious peoples and philosophers out.taxonomic classification Homo Sapiens Sapienscould work, but you should add the other human species now extinct.Homo Erectus
Homo Egaster
Homo Heidelbergensis
Homo NeanderthalensisCould help that conundrum, but I doubt it. What about if you raise them until they die of natural causes? I dont doubt that that kind of operation would chew youre wallet like a Crocodile (if they preform such operations) Do they actually do animal abortions? That's just a stereotype. I happen to love animals more than most humans. I also support a clean environment and universal healthcare. But on issues such as this i am conservative.Skin cells would be defined as a microorganism, not a animal in the macro sense or consumer sense. I dont think they are animals but a part of a whole living being. Of course the skin cell wont grow into a human like an embryo if left to it's own devices.good responses.Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Hello der ChirpYou make some interesting ideas. I cant respond to all (and some I might be a little humerous) but you wrote them very well. Now on some things: I dont harass pregnant chicks either, save when I am trying to go out on a date with them roflmao. Depends on the dog breed. Bulldogs for example often have to get c-section surgeries to deliver puppies, because the unborn puppies heads are so large that they can block a dog's birth canal(See page 24 of National Geographic Jan 2002 issue and "Smithsonian handbooks: Dogs" page 39)Intersting positions. Especially about the fish (i think they have some sort of mind or mentality, if not something else like a primitive or proto conscience. I believe they have a soul, but that's getting off topic.)Nice chatting with yah again Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Didn't know about trisomy 21. Intersting disorder. I'll look up mo' on it. Um, isn't this getting alittle bit off topic? I haven't seen God, nor made a detailed map of his, er, anatomy (if he even has one)but I think we are gonna chase rabbits if we get stucxk on that. Is this a logical fallacy of some kind? If so I'll look it up and remember to think twice before using something like it.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Depends. I'll eat pepperoni on a pizza, CRISP bacon (turkey or pig), burgers, hot dogs and beefy mexican food. Anything else I will probably gag. I do love animals, but I have no problem with eating meat. The Bible says it's okay (Gen 9:1-3)and protien can do a body good. But I wont eat meat that was from an animal mistreated (you dont want to know how Veal comes to you...) or slaughtered horrifically, nor will I eat endangered animal meat.I make no distintcions between babies and "fetuses". And the way you are using it, it's not a good analogy, since humans are not on dah menu (though I have heared China allows aborted unborn to be devoured in resteraunts. Bon appitite!)

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

You've made your ideas short and to the point. I never witnessed a person admitting that at fetus is human, yet still for pro choice abortion. You are honest.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

sorry Asgara, I misunderstood what Modulus said.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Extremely likely, not proven ROFLMAO!Seriously, I have heared stories of cows being butchered while still alive and standing and there is a fellow autistic and animal lover who has designed a far better and more humane way for cattle to be slaughtered (I cant remember her name. I'll find it later)Were getting a wittle off topic, but when it comes to how these companies kill their cattle, I think that ignorance is bliss when eating it, but they should be investigated and forced to end the life of their cows and other animals far, far, FAR more humanely.I also heared that Tyson food does some real mideval stuff to chickens, but other than Michael Moore's "Dude, where's my Country" i've never seen a source to confirm it.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Thank you for the websource Chirp I breifly looked at it, but excatcly what kind of site is it? I'll look later, but I see no reason to not trust it so far. I didn't know that that idea has been around for such a long time.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

You dont like Vanilla Ice Cream Ringo? I find it tasty, especially if it is Blue Bell (Texan Ice Cream)and smooth and melted.But My favorite is Strawberry. Tastes dah best Are you comparing fetuses with...vanilla ice cream?

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

oh, okeedokee. Neither is mine, even if some mad scientist somehow made me pregnant. My first choice would either be Guiness world records or 6:00 news.Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4