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ICANT
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Message 145 of 403 (602062)
01-25-2011 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by onifre
01-25-2011 11:51 AM


Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
Hi oni,
onifre writes:
Looking at these global numbers really trumps the 900,000 legally administered abortions that occur per year.
Where did you get that number from?
In 2005 the last date we have verified stats on in the US there was 1.21 million abortions. Worldwide it grows to 46 million per year. That comes out to about 87 legal abortions per minute if my math is correct.
15 million children die of starvation each year in the world. That comes out to about 28 per minute if my math is correct.
So your numbers are a little out of whack.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 159 of 403 (602117)
01-26-2011 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by onifre
01-25-2011 10:46 PM


Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
Hi oni,
onifre writes:
Where did you get your numbers from?
AGI
You did notice in your quote that there are 3 states in the US that do not report abortions. You did also notice that the reporting is voluntary.
You did notice you used worldwide numbers for starvation.
Yet you used the smallest number you could find for abortions and then only used the numbers for the US less those who do not report.
Worldwide the numbers I find for abortions range from 42 million to 48 million per year.
onifre writes:
Pretty sad, right? What was your point here?
Simple you were trying to make abortions look like a lot less took place than those that starve to death each year.
28 children dying from starvation every minute is atrocious.
75 to 85 aborted births per minute is atrocious.
The 28 deaths from stravation is the hardest to control because all the food given to help is controled by adults that put themselves first.
The abortions could simply be controled by preventive means that is available to most everyone. One method of prevention available to everyone, is just say no.
We could argue about when life begins to try to justify abortion but that is a fruitless argument.
I have read much at EvC about that argument. Some say when the brain is not functioning life does not exist.
So when did the first life form on earth begin to exist? Was it when that first single cell life form had a functioning brain? I just thought I would throw that in as food for thought.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 283 of 403 (602586)
01-28-2011 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by onifre
01-26-2011 1:23 PM


Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
Hi oni,
onifre writes:
Then they are wrong. Also, please provide the link, as I did.
In any case, the CDC trumps whatever is said on AGI since they are the official government entity that works specifically to gather the numbers.
The CDC does not gather information. It is voluntarly sent to them.
AGI collects information many ways..
You can find their facts Here.
You can find their statement Here.
onifre writes:
Yes, so then ask yourself at that point, how on earth could AGI have those extra numbers if they weren't reported to the CDC? That's a load of crap. Perhaps they're just making crap up?
You can find how they gather information for the US on this page.
For Puerto Rico7 and the United States,8 data collected through surveys of all providers were used; the U.S. estimate for 2000 was projected to 2003.
onifre writes:
No one is making the choice to die of starvation or malnutrition, those people need help -vs- an adult who makes an actual legal choice concerning their own body.
Well their parents chose for them by having unprotected sex and producing them in the first place. Even though the undeveloped world produces the majority of abortions.
onifre writes:
And yet pro-life people are only concerned in controlling the 820,000 that take place in the US. You're all a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites.
Get that tree off your shoulder, and quit jumping to conclusion about what I believe. You should know by know that ICANT be like other people.
For your enlightenment.
In Message 15 posted March 2007, I made this statement in a post to AnswersInGenitals.
If those against abortion are correct that the fetus becomes a person with a soul at conception that would mean that 12.5 million souls would go to heaven to be with God. That would leave the 4 million souls to grow up and have to make a decision where they would spend eternity. That would mean God has reaped a harvest of over 75% of the possible souls born in the U.S in a year. So why fuss?
AnswersInGenitals has said:
quote:
in the U. S., there are 16.5 million conceptions each year of which 11 million abort naturally (miscarriages), 1.5 are aborted clinically, and 4 million result in live births.
As you can imagine I get a lot of flack from pro-lifers because of my view of abortion.
onifre writes:
Maybe you can take up the question of when the soul arrives
My definition is that when the spermatozoan, and the ovum unite in a process called fertilization, and form a zygote a human exists.
The spermatozoan is live cells as is the ovum but alone they cannot produce a human. But when combined they are a complete human.
I know you and everyone else will disagree but I can't help that. You did ask me to take up the question.
onifre writes:
There is no consistency from your side of the argument.
That is an understatement when you consider my position on abortion.
God gets everyone aborted.
Of those born He may get 4% but I think that estimate might be a little high.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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