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Author Topic:   Abortion questions...?
Briterican
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Message 115 of 403 (601846)
01-24-2011 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by RAZD
01-23-2011 1:59 PM


God commanded a very very very late term abortion did he not?
RAZD writes:
You would force your solution on them, and that would prevent them from being accountable for resolving the unintended results of their own actions in their own way, as a responsible adult, making adult decisions.
Interestingly (and forgive me if this has been mentioned before), isn't this what Yahweh did when he commanded Abraham to perform a very very very late-term abortion on Isaac? Had Abraham carried through with it, getting a bit gung-ho and missing that last minute "Haha Abe, you SOOO fell for that" reprieve, he surely couldn't have been held morally responsible for the death of Isaac... he was only following orders was he not?
(Forgive me RAZD I sort of randomly chose your post to reply to, just wanted to get involved in the thread )
So, if I understand this correctly now, it would have been morally acceptable for Abraham to have terminated the life of his significantly-beyond-the-fetus-stage child for something so petty as to prove his devotion to God, but it's NOT okay for a woman to make a similar choice, for undoubtedly much more "down to earth" reasons, with advice from her doctor and with all the appropriate counselling, with regard to a zygote?

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Briterican
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Message 320 of 403 (602907)
02-01-2011 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 318 by Taq
02-01-2011 3:54 PM


Re: step by step
Taq writes:
In the end, it isn't my decision to make.
If only this view were more predominant. We have this raging debate about where life begins... conception, 100th cell division, and so on, but the very real potential hardships lie solely with the mother, and I don't see how it should fall to a guy in a suit on Capitol Hill to call her a murderer if she makes the tough choice to terminate a pregnancy at this stage where the "human being" is the size of a pencil point, most closely resembles a worm (that's 3 weeks, at 4 we begin to see a resemblance to a tadpole - how can anyone look at embryology without seeing evidence of evolution written all over it?) - AND - probably most importantly - exists within the body of the mother.
I agree with the sentiments expressed by others - being "pro-choice" does not mean I want to see more abortions. I just don't see how such things can (or should) be legislated. If I were female I would be aghast at the notion that the law could reach into my internal organs.
Forgive me if someone's already posed this type of question...
If a woman who is 5 weeks pregnant (a point at which I assume most "pro-lifers" consider it a "human being") decides to take a ride on a bicycle, hits a bump, falls off and has a miscarriage as a result of the tumble... is she guilty of negligent homicide? If not, how can voluntary termination at this early stage be considered homicide?

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Briterican
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Message 329 of 403 (602929)
02-01-2011 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 327 by slevesque
02-01-2011 5:24 PM


Re: step by step
slevesque writes:
If a woman who is 5 weeks pregnant (a point at which I assume most "pro-lifers" consider it a "human being") decides to take a ride on a bicycle, hits a bump, falls off and has a miscarriage as a result of the tumble... is she guilty of negligent homicide? If not, how can voluntary termination at this early stage be considered homicide?
You'll have to define what is negligence, but I doubt it is to be defined in a way that it is doing something, knowing there is a very,very small chance of a bad thing happening Am I negligent when I drive a car, knowing there is an equally small chance of me hitting someone ?
A valid and fair response. And by the way I don't presume to know whether you would class the voluntary termination of a 5 week pregnancy as "murder" or not (I try to absorb the previous posts in these threads before commenting, but not always terribly successfully).
I just wonder how these "moral quandaries" play out in other people's minds, and I worry about the efforts to overturn Roe V Wade given the many "grey areas" on the subject.
I seem to recall a story from the states (where I originated btw) where a man was charged with double homicide after shooting a pregnant woman. Despite my previous statements, I can see the logic in that charge, which makes me think "well how can I view abortion as acceptable then?" - but it seems to have a WHOLE LOT to do with the circumstances and the choices of the mother.
I believe this debate will rage on, at least in the states, for many years to come.

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