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Apothecus
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Message 215 of 403 (602330)
01-27-2011 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by onifre
01-27-2011 2:08 AM


Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
Hey Oni,
I agree with most of what you've said here; I'm firmly pro-choice (vs. pro-abortion, which, as someone said, I don't think anyone really is).
But I think you're painting with an awfully wide brush when you assert that no one gives a shit about anything except ourownselfs. You do seem to step back a bit when you said
oni writes:
Along with Haiti, many other countries suffer the same conditions, and very little concern is ever given. Because, we just can't. There is a reality that somethings are just not do-able.
Which seems a bit more reasonable to me, IMHO. I think most people are, at least in part, concerned about things which to them are unacceptible, morally or otherwise. However, that's not to say they care enough to do anything about it. Whether due to lack of financial means or other logistical difficulties a person will not commit their resources in order to fix a (admittedly subjective) wrong does not necessarily make that person self-centered, as you suggest. It may, but then again, it may not.
Which brings up another issue. Where does the line between altruism and self-centeredness exist? If I choose to not give money to Haiti and instead donate to the March of Dimes, does that mean I'm self-centered in regard to Haiti? Or if I only give $20 because that's what I can afford, or I only give $20 because that's all I want to give even if I'm flush? It seems to me that the position of the line is fuzzy and subjective.
I entirely agree with you, though, about the fact that not enough is done for single moms after the birth of an unaborted baby. I also agree with your overpopulation argument and how that relates to any unsupported objections to abortion. But like the above examples, I would argue that most people do genuinely care about unborn children, as well as what happens to them after birth. But apparently, just not enough to actually do anything about it.
Have a good one, Oni.

"My own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. J.B.S Haldane 1892-1964

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Apothecus
Member (Idle past 2432 days)
Posts: 275
From: CA USA
Joined: 01-05-2010


Message 284 of 403 (602635)
01-29-2011 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by onifre
01-28-2011 3:59 PM


Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
oni writes:
apo writes:
I think most people are, at least in part, concerned about things which to them are unacceptible, morally or otherwise.
I would agree, but only when they are made aware of it.
Quite true. Of course if one isn't aware of (insert injustice here), they'd not concern themselves with it. My point, I guess, was for those people who were aware, but choose to ignore the fact that they're feeling empathetic, and still do nothing. That's injustice, and tragic.
The rest of your post was gold. The hypothetical situation, I think, is superb and isn't something most pro-lifers even consider. The double standard is obvious.
Thanks, dude.

"My own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. J.B.S Haldane 1892-1964

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