Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total)
4 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,872 Year: 4,129/9,624 Month: 1,000/974 Week: 327/286 Day: 48/40 Hour: 2/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Death Penalty and Stanley Tookie Williams
FliesOnly
Member (Idle past 4173 days)
Posts: 797
From: Michigan
Joined: 12-01-2003


Message 80 of 166 (269275)
12-14-2005 2:35 PM


I'm jumping in a bit late here, but there's nothing I can do about that now I guess.
I seem to come down on the death penalty a bit on the Holmes side of things. I have had many discussions with people on both sides of the issue and for my part; I have consistently stated that while I am in favor of the death penalty, it is most certainly not applied fairly. Neither ones race nor ones socio-economic situation should play a role in the type of punishment one might receive for a violent crime.
By the same token, I have no problem putting to death someone that was convicted of murder. But let me clarify when I think death is appropriate. Personally, I do not think that expert testimony should suffice one way or the other. Each side (Prosecutor and Defense) will always have their own expert witness who will try to convince a jury of a defendant’s guilt or innocence. The death penalty should only be applied in those most rare of circumstances where guilt is all but an absolute certainty.
Here’s a list of criteria I think should be met before the death penalty can be considered.
1) Multiple witnesses NOT connected to the crime in any way.
2) Overwhelming physical evidence (blood, hair, semen, etc) subjected to DNA testing.
3) At least one other nonhuman “witness” to the crime (video tape and/or audio tape).
4) A confession.
Numbers 3 and 4 can be substituted, one for the other.
For example, while the names and exact dates escape me, I’m sure most of us remember a few months back, the situation in Georgia (I believe) where a defendant being brought into the court room, grab a gun, killed the judge and I think another lawyer, fled, killed someone else while stealing their car, took someone hostage in their home, and then later surrendered to authorities. That, to me, is a classic example of guilt beyond doubt. Multiple witnesses, video tape, and a confession. So hells yes, hang the fucker.
By this own argument then, the death penalty would not have even been an option in the Stanley Williams case. To me, if realistic doubt exists, then the death penalty should be taken off the table.
And I also do not think juries should decide if a defendant is put to death or not. Look, a lot of our judicial system is more about theatrics than determining the guilt or innocence of someone. It’s not about right or wrong, it’s about winning. Juries can be swayed by circumstances unrelated to the actual evidence put forth. I have a close friend that served on a jury during a rape trial. They convicted the defendant. I talked to my friend (after the case had been decided) about what it was like and he confessed to me that one reason he personally voted to convict was how he “thought” the defendant handled himself on the stand. My friend said that he didn’t trust him and could “see it in his eyes”. I was a bit upset and told him so. I told him that I thought that that was a bullshit reason to send someone to jail for a number of years. “Cuz you didn’t like how he acted on the stand?” I asked, “That’s cappola.” I can only imagine what sort of shit goes on during a capital murder case.

FliesOnly
Member (Idle past 4173 days)
Posts: 797
From: Michigan
Joined: 12-01-2003


Message 101 of 166 (269614)
12-15-2005 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by wiseman45
12-14-2005 8:49 PM


Re: Clarification Statement
wiseman45 writes:
For instance: Scott Peterson has about a 50-50 chance of spending at least half of the remainder of his life of Death Row before his execution date is even set. Why is that? Everyone knows he did it. Why do we mess around with worthless apeal cases? Just one example.
Ok, I have to disagree with you here. The Scott Peterson case does not even fit your own criteria of an example for when the death penalty would be appropriate. In message 76 you said:
wiseman45 writes:
3. Death Row candidates can only be convicted on solid evidence, where its clear that they did it because they left their fingerprints or DNA at the crime scene or on a weapon.
and in the Peterson case, I'm not so sure that this criterion was met.
Personally, I agree with you (and the jury for that matter) that Scott Peterson did indeed murder his wife. But...and this is a big “but”...there is still a chance that he truly is innocent and it did happen the way his defense team claimed. So, by my standards (see message 80), life imprisonment without parole would be the maximum punishment in his case.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 92 by wiseman45, posted 12-14-2005 8:49 PM wiseman45 has not replied

Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024