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Message 77 of 166 (269258)
12-14-2005 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
12-12-2005 9:53 PM


payback is a bitch.
You get yourself convicted of murdering someone in the first degree or commiting a capital offense in Texas you are going to pay with your life. Period. I do not care how many books you write, or how rehabilitated you become. It is not about rehabilitation, it is about killing some asshole for killing other innocents. It is punishment. It is closer for the victims families. Payback is a bitch.

"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

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Message 105 of 166 (269735)
12-15-2005 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by macaroniandcheese
12-14-2005 3:11 PM


Re: payback is a bitch.
Hi Brennakimi,
brennakimi writes:
Forgivness is a bitch too.
Many people find it next to impossible to forgive the senseless murder,rape or torture of a member of they're family. Some say they can. But I would venture it is so much pious Christian feelgood speak . When you are the one who has lost someone to a murdering bastard and find it in your heart to forgive; then bravo for you. I prefer to know the mother fucker died for what he did. I am not as virtuous as you.
brennakimi writes:
Im glad texas doesnt represent god.
Well it depends on which version you care to worship. The God of the old testiment fire and brimstone/kill kill em all God.
Or the New testiment, kinder gentler God of forgiveness.
Or perhaps your a pantheist and god is manifested in all creation, in that case Texas is the vengence is mine sliver of gods personality.

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Message 108 of 166 (269745)
12-15-2005 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by macaroniandcheese
12-15-2005 5:56 PM


Re: payback is a bitch.
Sorry bout that....I am glad you are able to be so resilient to get over such a horrific event.
But lets get this straight, I am not talkin about "getting" over it.
Or ones ability to forgive and move on. I am talkin about making someone pay for they're murderin,raping, lobotomizing with drills, psycosicko trophy head collecting necrophlliactic/pedophilliactic/ crimes.
I am talking about makin them dead. So they dont breath air. So they dont have the pleasure to remember they're exploits. So the Jessica MClure's of the world are avenged. As a Clint Eastwood Character William Muny said: "There aint no forgettn and there aint no forgivin."

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Message 109 of 166 (269749)
12-15-2005 6:39 PM


Ok folks... lets do a thought experiment.
You are the father or mother of a beautiful child. Who you have nurtured and cherished with all your being. They are young and innocent. They are kidnapped from theyre beds...they are imprisioned...raped for days...tortured and bound and killed.
They're bodies dumped in a roadside pit like garbage.
The Police catch the man who did it. He has the video tapes of his sexual torture sessions of your children in his home.
Now.......do you turn the other cheek? are you satisfied with his life in prision sentence? Do you feel comfortable knowing he is alive and well and healthy with 4 hots and a cot? TV..library, congital visits....on and on? Be honest how many of you out there would like 5 minutes alone???

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1.61803
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Message 114 of 166 (270005)
12-16-2005 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by macaroniandcheese
12-15-2005 6:55 PM


Hi Brennakimi,
I first off want to tell you that I applaud your benevolent nature in regards to forgivness. I am somehow incapable of this when it comes to this particular circumstance.
I can forgive a man for accidentally hitting my car. I could forgive him for hitting on purpose. I can forgive a man for stealing from me. Cheating on my wife , I could forgive her too. I can forgive just about anything. EXCEPT:
Unmitigated murder or torture or rape of a person. I do not try to justifiy my inability to do so. I also can not forgive purposeful cruelty to animals or humans. I get pissed off and I do not have it within me to just forgive the offending person. I do not think that a humans life is to be taken lightly. But I personally do believe that there are circumstances where a offense can be so aggregious as to warrent death. I realize we are more than the our worst offense. I know that every criminal is someones son or daughter who is loved. I watched "Dead man Walking" and it did move me emotionally. But coming to terms with the crime and asking forgivness is fine. But does that make everything all better? No. Is it right to take a life of someone who has killed. No. It isnt about what is right. It is about Punishment. Punishment is not rehabilitation. I do not expect you to understand, just as I am unable to understand how one can forgive a serial murderer. I will say you are the better person.

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