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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 5 of 72 (33159)
02-25-2003 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Adminnemooseus
02-23-2003 11:58 PM


I honestly don't think that guns are the cause of the violence, obviously a tool of the violent, but not the cause. We do not solve the problem of violent behaviour by removing guns.
I have a feeling that drugs/alchohol play the largest part in violent crime today. So far I have not found the stats to support it, (i think stats are a flawed form of evidence anyway).
In order to solve the problem of violent crime, we have to look at the causes. People were murdering each other long before the gun became the weapon of choice.
If we can study the motives in violent crime, and find what drives people to committ these offences, we can make the social/economic changes necessary to drastically drop the violent crime rate.
Gun control will only hinder honest people from owning weapons, I do not see how it will stop criminals from getting their hands on guns.
Maybe we should work on minimizing poverty as well as drug and alchohol addiction.
Then there is always mans great flaw GREED and jelousy.
I will never register any weapons, I will not comply to any laws to do with the control of firearms.
Gun control does not solve anything, the problems run much deeper than the fact that people own guns.
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 7 of 72 (33166)
02-25-2003 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Coragyps
02-25-2003 3:24 PM


But even without guns the desire to commit such crimes still exists. As long as there is a drive to violence there will be violence, guns or no guns. Gun control skirts around the problem and solves nothing.
If we want to solve this problem then we have to find a real solution. Legislation against guns will not remove the underlying problems that drive people to violent crime.
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 33 of 72 (33572)
03-03-2003 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by jdean33442
03-03-2003 4:15 PM


just another article about effect of gun control
http://www.ccpr-fl.com/bb/messages/16.html
This is an article by a police officer in Australia, containing some statistics, and information about the "effectiveness" of gun control in Australia.
I really don't have much to add to it myself, I've read so much information on this subject I'm begining not to care.
However I have not found much of anything that shows gun control as an answer to the problem of violent crime.
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 37 of 72 (33601)
03-04-2003 12:44 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by mark24
03-03-2003 8:32 PM


Sometimes small freedoms must be given up so that lives can be saved.
This particular statement really caught my attention. When I think about it, it seems that the cost of freedom is very bloody. (think WW1&2, french revolution, civil wars, ect. ect.)
I am wondering how we decide when it is worth it to give up freedoms. I'm wondering, is freedom ever really worth the price we continually pay for it?
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 42 of 72 (33634)
03-04-2003 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by derwood
03-04-2003 1:46 PM


Re: just another article about effect of gun control
I thought the idea of allowing citizens to own guns was so that they could protect themselves. Not so much from the criminals, but in case a gov't trys to steal their freedom.
It amazes me how many freedoms people will give up for an illusion of safety.
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 46 of 72 (33653)
03-04-2003 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by wj
03-04-2003 6:45 PM


Re: just another article about effect of gun control
umm ... crime involving violence..

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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 61 of 72 (33976)
03-09-2003 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by nator
03-09-2003 9:10 AM


Re: Talk is cheap...
You have also ignored the fact that more people use guns to kill themselves than are used to kill others.
Schraf,
Sorry to only respond to one section of your post, but this seems silly to me. You keep blaming guns for killing, and here you blame them for suicides. Obviously a person does not decide to commit suicide just because they have access to a gun. There is problems in their lives, and they feel hopeless and lost. This is not the guns fault.
Again you are ignoring the real problem, placing the blame on guns.

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