Points on abortion and the crutch of supporters

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until then, stop trying to run other people's lives.

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A good friend of mine who is as far liberal as they come called me a control freak and said I like to run other peoples lives. He thought I was against gay marriage too. well I'm not. But I have decided it's not that big of an important issue to vote over right now. It wouldn't be either of course. Check out Kerry's stance on abortion.I think that's a strong argument. I mean who am I to decide that. But I don't know because I know that everyone should get a chance at his or her life.It is important to note that the fact that a child may have a disability, even a very debilitating one, that that is not a good reason to abort them. I was born premature, I was originally paralyzed on the right side of my body, basically I was supposed to be in a wheel chair my whole life. My how things can turn out.This message has been edited by CHRIS PORTEUS jr, 09-29-2004 07:10 PM

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-porcelain

yeah I see thAT

i don't agree with aborting disabled babies. but that's why we have a constitution. i am free from what you think i should do and people are free from what i think they should do.i have a fine motor disability. i could never be a surgeon. what if my parents had wanted their kid to have "every oportunity"?

Whoops I had missed this post of yours... Oh my gods... You actually posted the definition of ad hominem and STILL managed to get it wrong."Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason" means if I, that is me, which is to say I or me makes an argument which appeals to personal considerations rather than logic, then THAT is an ad hominem argument.My pointing out that your position must include a metaphysical belief based on your religious faith is neither a criticism nor an ad hominem attack.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

Did you see post #418? I'd like to see a response to it.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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Oh my gods... You actually posted the definition of ad hominem and STILL managed to get it wrong.

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My pointing out that your position must include a metaphysical belief based on your religious faith is neither a criticism nor an ad hominem attack.

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That is an ad hominem attack.

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Sorry missed it, as in: did not see it

Regarding the whole I can't use statistic thing is pointless. Because their are also statistics of danger in pregnacy does not refute the statistics posted.But from your pdf file:1% rape,incestMore abortions occur in death than pregnancies

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To call fetuses "future babies" and suggest they would make it if just given a chance, is purely juvenile, if not borderline infantile behavior. It is projecting a fantasy world on reality.

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wouldn't you want to wait it out and see if it became a baby rather than eliminating its chances altogether?

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-porcelain

How can that be an ad hominem attack when the logical extension of that same statement of fact is that MY POSITION rests on a metaphysical belief. Yeah mine isn't a religious metaphysical belief, but that doesn't make a difference.I am really clueless why you think I am insulting you. My argument is not that your position is based on a metphysical assumption so you are wrong.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

Please read my post. I carefully explained the implications of the stats.The above comment suggests you did not take it seriously at all. ???? What does that mean? My post even mentions those stats. You didn't read it did you? The study clearly refuted that claim. You didn't read it did you? I wish you would have taken it more seriously. I took you seriously enough to carefully analyze the important details. That would depend on the circumstances. Clearly since there are abortions some would answer no.But you need to recognize that even if I said yes I would want to wait and see, that does not change the fact that fetuses are not future babies. You wait and see what they become. They could be something very different.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

A reply to messages 405 and 419 in this thread, please.

YOU ARE ASSUMING I BELIEVE ABORTION CAN BE WRONG BECAUSE OF MY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS

I did read it.

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The study clearly refuted that claim. You didn't read it did you? I wish you would have taken it more seriously. I took you seriously enough to carefully analyze the important details.

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Yeah, sorry I have a tendency to miss posts on this thread for some reason