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Silent H
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Message 16 of 56 (145999)
09-30-2004 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Dan Carroll
09-30-2004 10:14 AM


If you check out dpardo's posts from the other thread
Okeydoke. I had a feeling it wasn't supposed to be the way it looked on first read. It does help seeing the greater context.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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dpardo
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Message 17 of 56 (146060)
09-30-2004 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Rei
09-29-2004 9:33 PM


Rei writes:
"Oh please, don't play this as if most Christians don't have sex before marriage, either. I can bring up state-by-state statistics on out-of-wedlock pregnancies, if you'd like - if I recall, the south was the worst."
I didn't ask for that purpose.
The reason I asked is that pre-marital sex is wrong (according to the bible) even if it is done by Christian heterosexual couples. Engaging in sexual relations joins two people on a level that was intended for married individuals. This is one of the reasons that a break-up is so much more devastating to an individual when there was sexual activity involved.

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CK
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Message 18 of 56 (146066)
09-30-2004 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by dpardo
09-30-2004 12:57 PM


quote:
Engaging in sexual relations joins two people on a level that was intended for married individuals. This is one of the reasons that a break-up is so much more devastating to an individual when there was sexual activity involved.
What makes you think that? The only girl that broke my heart, I never had sex with (and we saw each other for a while). Other girlfriends, we were at it like rabbits and I wasn't that bothered.

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Message 19 of 56 (146067)
09-30-2004 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Dan Carroll
09-30-2004 10:10 AM


Dan Carroll writes:
"Your only assertion was that a gay couple couldn't last, because their relationships exist outside holy scriptures. The existence of long-term gay couples refutes this.
What else, exactly, do you want?
I would like to know what their "secret" to staying together has been?
Are they happy?
Are they fulfilled?
Do they question their behavior?

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dpardo
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Message 20 of 56 (146068)
09-30-2004 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by CK
09-30-2004 1:03 PM


Charles Knight writes:
"...Other girlfriends, we were at it like rabbits and I wasn't that bothered."
Did you break off those relationships or did they?

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CK
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Message 21 of 56 (146077)
09-30-2004 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by dpardo
09-30-2004 1:05 PM


Some me, some them.

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dpardo
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Message 22 of 56 (146078)
09-30-2004 1:22 PM
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09-30-2004 1:19 PM


In the ones that were broken off by them, were you hurt?
In the ones that you broke off, were they hurt?

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CK
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Message 23 of 56 (146081)
09-30-2004 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by dpardo
09-30-2004 1:22 PM


quote:
In the ones that were broken off by them, were you hurt?
sometimes, sometimes not - never that much and not as much as with the girl I never slept with.
quote:
In the ones that you broke off, were they hurt?
some were, others were not.
You seem to be on a bit of a fishing trip to establish your point. However I've already explained that the one I never slept with hurt the most - that negates your point (in my case at least) does it not?

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Dan Carroll
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Message 24 of 56 (146087)
09-30-2004 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by dpardo
09-30-2004 1:03 PM


I would like to know what their "secret" to staying together has been?
It's an amazing secret, heretofore only know by Freemasons and Shriners. Now, I share it with you. It's called "love".
Seriously, dpardo, I'd strongly reccomend you get out there and meet some gay couples. You'll be amazed to discover that the average gay couple is no different from the average straight couple. They bicker, they screw, they laugh, they kiss, they crack dumb jokes at movies, and they annoy their single friends by being happy.
Some couples work, some don't. The ones that work, last. There's no secret, no matter what genitals are involved.
Are they happy?
Are they fulfilled?
Sure. Why would they be in a relationship that long if they weren't?
Do they question their behavior?
No. Why would they?

"If I had to write ten jokes about potholders, I don't think I could do it. But I could write ten jokes about Catholicism in the next twenty minutes. I guess I'm drawn to religion because I can be provocative without harming something people really care about, like their cars."
-George Meyer, Simpsons writer

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dpardo
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Message 25 of 56 (146092)
09-30-2004 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by CK
09-30-2004 1:27 PM


Charles Knight writes:
"You seem to be on a bit of a fishing trip to establish your point. However I've already explained that the one I never slept with hurt the most - that negates your point (in my case at least) does it not?"
If you can honestly say that you weren't bothered much by those break-ups where you were not the instigator, I will concede that, in your case, my point seems to be negated. But, to the extent that continual sin hardens the heart, you may have felt progressively less hurt as you broke off those relationships.
Can you say, with any degree of accuracy, that you know how much hurt the girls that you terminated the relationship with felt?

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CK
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Message 26 of 56 (146093)
09-30-2004 1:42 PM
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09-30-2004 1:40 PM


no as a mind-reader I can't but then neither can you.

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CK
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Message 27 of 56 (146096)
09-30-2004 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by dpardo
09-30-2004 1:40 PM


quote:
But, to the extent that continual sin hardens the heart
Is wanking still a sin? If I wank too much will I become evil or find that my personality changes?
That's a 100% serious question as it seems a logical extension of what you are saying.

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dpardo
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Message 28 of 56 (146100)
09-30-2004 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Dan Carroll
09-30-2004 1:32 PM


Dan Carroll writes:
"Sure. Why would they be in a relationship that long if they weren't?"
Just because two people stay together doesn't imply that they are happy, fulfilled, etc.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 29 of 56 (146101)
09-30-2004 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by dpardo
09-30-2004 1:48 PM


The people in question are smart enough to know that if their relationship is making them both unhappy and leaving them both unfulfilled, then it should be ended.
However, to directly answer your question... yes. They are happy and fulfilled.

"If I had to write ten jokes about potholders, I don't think I could do it. But I could write ten jokes about Catholicism in the next twenty minutes. I guess I'm drawn to religion because I can be provocative without harming something people really care about, like their cars."
-George Meyer, Simpsons writer

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dpardo
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Message 30 of 56 (146108)
09-30-2004 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Dan Carroll
09-30-2004 1:49 PM


Dan Carroll writes:
"The people in question are smart enough to know that if their relationship is making them both unhappy and leaving them both unfulfilled, then it should be ended."
There are many couples that are unhappily/unfilfilled together for reasons that we don't know.
If we had these couples direct input, we could examine it. Do you believe you are knowledgeable enough about these folks that you can speak for them?

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