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Author Topic:   Homosexuality Vs. Heterosexuality
CK
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Message 31 of 56 (146110)
09-30-2004 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by dpardo
09-30-2004 1:59 PM


quote:
Do you believe you are knowledgeable enough about these folks that you can speak for them?
You can't have this both ways - you can't claim something and then tell people that they are not knowledgeable enough to speak for them. If that the case - it sort of destroys your own point because you are unable to prove it for the same reasons.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 32 of 56 (146112)
09-30-2004 2:06 PM
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09-30-2004 1:59 PM


If we had these couples direct input, we could examine it. Do you believe you are knowledgeable enough about these folks that you can speak for them?
They're friends, (or friends of the family, rather) and I have no reason to doubt their word that they are happy and fulfilled. Do you put every relationship up to this kind of scrutiny?
To put it another way... what reason do you have to assume that they might be unhappy and unfulfilled?
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"If I had to write ten jokes about potholders, I don't think I could do it. But I could write ten jokes about Catholicism in the next twenty minutes. I guess I'm drawn to religion because I can be provocative without harming something people really care about, like their cars."
-George Meyer, Simpsons writer

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Dan Carroll
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Message 33 of 56 (146118)
09-30-2004 2:24 PM
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09-30-2004 1:59 PM


I think the problem here is that you seem to be working from a basic assumption that a gay relationship must have severe flaws. So if someone brings up a happy gay couple, your reaction is to say "well, let's put them under a microscope slide, and find out where the flaws are. Because I assure you, they're there."
It doesn't work that way. If you want us to assume that a relationship that is, by all appearances, happy, healthy, and functional, is in fact none of the above, then you need to give us a reason to do so.

"If I had to write ten jokes about potholders, I don't think I could do it. But I could write ten jokes about Catholicism in the next twenty minutes. I guess I'm drawn to religion because I can be provocative without harming something people really care about, like their cars."
-George Meyer, Simpsons writer

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dpardo
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Message 34 of 56 (146119)
09-30-2004 2:24 PM
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09-30-2004 2:06 PM


I understand your points.
Perhaps Rei can add her first-hand experience with the subject matter.

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CK
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Message 35 of 56 (146123)
09-30-2004 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by dpardo
09-30-2004 2:24 PM


but surely her viewpoint is only going to speak for her own experience? unless you saying that being gay or bi gives you special mind-reading skills?
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dpardo
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Message 36 of 56 (146127)
09-30-2004 2:46 PM
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09-30-2004 2:40 PM


No.
My purpose would be that we could question her to attempt to gather first-hand information.

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CK
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Message 37 of 56 (146130)
09-30-2004 2:51 PM
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09-30-2004 2:46 PM


and if she says "yep I'm really happy" - you are going to be OK with that?

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CK
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Message 38 of 56 (146135)
09-30-2004 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by dpardo
09-30-2004 2:46 PM


any chance of an answer to number 27?

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dpardo
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Message 39 of 56 (146139)
09-30-2004 2:58 PM
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09-30-2004 2:55 PM


Charles Knight writes:
"any chance of an answer to number 27?"
Yes.
Yes.

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Brian
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Message 40 of 56 (146141)
09-30-2004 3:02 PM
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09-30-2004 1:44 PM


I always knew the English were *ankers!!

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CK
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Message 41 of 56 (146146)
09-30-2004 3:07 PM
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09-30-2004 2:58 PM


So the medical evidence that wanking is good for you is incorrect?

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CK
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Message 42 of 56 (146148)
09-30-2004 3:08 PM
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09-30-2004 3:02 PM


You can shut it as well, go and eat a fried mars bar
You seen this ?
Archive-it Wayback
Lots of the scots I know think it's a joke.

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Brian
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Message 43 of 56 (146151)
09-30-2004 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by CK
09-30-2004 3:08 PM


Fur feck sake!!
What a mess LOL.
Nae doot sum numptae goat a hunner thoosind fur makin that keech up!
Brian.

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Rei
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Posts: 1546
From: Iowa City, IA
Joined: 09-03-2003


Message 44 of 56 (146164)
09-30-2004 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Silent H
09-30-2004 6:55 AM


1. As Dan pointed out to you, dpardo was claiming that homosexual relationships don't work out, in comparison to heterosexual relationships. I was pointing out that he was incorrect.
2. As to the "rape" issue, I stated "in a way", not "yes". It was not "rape" in its full sense, but neither was it some sort of normal consensual sex. It was him wanting to have sex and her being afraid to say no because of experiences with him, which she has not felt up to describing to me, and for which I have not felt like pressing her on, seing how she cried the last time we talked about it.

"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

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Rei
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Posts: 1546
From: Iowa City, IA
Joined: 09-03-2003


Message 45 of 56 (146165)
09-30-2004 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by dpardo
09-30-2004 1:03 PM


quote:
Are they happy?
Happy, 5 years, and going strong.
quote:
Are they fulfilled?
100%.
quote:
Do they question their behavior?
Not one bit.
You know, I find it kind of funny how you feel fit to lecture us on how we're not happy/fulfilled/able to last, when we *are* happy, fulfilled, and able to last. It's like me telling you that tooth hurts like crazy right now.

"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

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