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Author Topic:   Please - Some Impartial Advice Needed
Doddy
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Message 9 of 240 (404528)
06-09-2007 1:29 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by taylor_31
06-08-2007 7:14 PM


Re: thanks everyone
taylor_31 writes:
Overall, she told me that I was throwing away everything I have worked for, everything in my life, for a dumb lie.
That's a massive exaggeration. What, exactly, do you lose by being gay?
taylor_31 writes:
She insisted that I'm not gay; she said that I have never dated a girl (and suggested that I lack "people skills") and have no idea what I'm talking about. She insists that I may like girls, but I've been too insecure to date them.
I'm nineteen, and I've never dated a girl. That is probably because I am too insecure. But, that doesn't mean I can't know whether I am attracted to them or not; I know I like girls.
taylor_31 writes:
She insists that because I'm only eighteen that my developing brain is in no position to make decisions about my life.
And because she isn't even in your brain, she has even less of a position to make decisions about your life.
However, your mother must be assuming that this is in fact a decision, like what you will study or what you will wear. In fact, that is unlikely - nature (not just genetic - the environment, especially the uterine one, is also a factor) has played its hand.
In my opinion, knowledge of homosexuality would be so much better if everyone had an opportunity to see homosexual fruit flies.
She gave me several detriments of being a homosexual, which included disease, psychological problems, that it's "unnatural", and the societal consequences ("You'll be put into a group," she says.)
I could give you detriments of being heterosexual too: you will be put in a group, you can get diseases, you could make someone pregnant etc etc. But it's completely beside the point: could you change even if you wanted to, and if you could change, should you?
If you want, I could go into the neurobiology behind sexual 'preference'. But for now let me just say that it has nothing (or, very very little - can never be sure in science) to do with mothering, a distant father or contact with brothers.
taylor_31 writes:
She ended our argument by saying that she'll never condone or accept it.
Of course she won't. Just feel lucky that you're not in Iran or somewhere else where homosexuals are killed.
PS: As for the 'it's unnatural' argument, that is my least favourite argument for/against anything (death is, after all, natural, but that doesn't mean I should want it or even accept it as inevitable). If could change the world, I would rid it of the naturalistic fallacy. But, I'm a transhumanist, so perhaps I'm biased.

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Doddy
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Message 12 of 240 (404718)
06-09-2007 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by RAZD
06-09-2007 7:33 AM


Re: and to Taylor tooo
RAZD writes:
And Bonobos
Of course, but flies are even better because you can't write it off as being cultural in any way.

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