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molbiogirl
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Message 58 of 240 (405290)
06-12-2007 4:55 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by taylor_31
06-11-2007 9:12 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
perhaps the moral thing is to be who I am, and to hell with the consequences
Absolutely, taylor. But, like Taz says, maybe later. After all, it's only a year or so til you go to college, right?
You mentioned that you might look into financial aid. DO IT. So that you will be free to do as you wish.
I'm a student too. And I support myself entirely with financial aid.
It will make things easier if you ask your parents to stop claiming you as a dependent on their 1040s, starting next year. You have to be "independent" (not claimed) for a year in order to qualify for federal loans on your own. (I don't mean to say that you won't get a loan unless you're an "independent" student, but the school will take your parent's financial info into account when they're figuring out how much you can borrow if you're a "dependent" student and oftentimes that means a lot less money.)
I don't think that I can change anything by myself. There can be no moral duty to do what cannot be done.
You don't know that! You're no Emperor of the East Roman Empire, but you don't know that you "can't change anything".
Ellen DeGeneres was a third rate comedienne who got fired from a lousy sitcom back in the 80s ... because she came out.
Now look at her. And it's not just her. Television has changed (Will & Grace etc.). Movies have changed (Brokeback Mountain). All because brave souls like Ellen (like you) have made a point of being honest.
And none of this "Aw shucks I'm not nobody" stuff either. You don't know what you're going to accomplish! You don't know who you will become! Don't sell yourself short.
Things are changing. Albeit slowly, but still. It won't be too many years until the Supreme Court is faced with the ""gay marriage" thing. After all, the landmark 2003 Lawrence vs. Texas decision struck down state sodomy laws. Chief Justice Roberts provided free legal advice for gay plaintiffs on a groundbreaking 1996 Supreme Court case, Romer vs. Evans, which struck down a Colorado ballot initiative banning antidiscrimination laws for gays. They refused to hear that Massachusetts gay marriage case a while back, but they can't refuse forever.
After the Supreme Court throws out the "Defense of Marriage Act", things will start to move a lot quicker.
Take heart and take care.

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molbiogirl
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Message 65 of 240 (405428)
06-12-2007 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Taz
06-12-2007 12:13 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
I still have reservations with the movie Brokeback Mountain. The first gay themed movie that ever made it to the big screen had to prove that the fundies have been right all along.
Well. I dunno.
I live in a bible belt state. When I went to the theater to see the movie, weeks after it had been here, the place was packed. I was stunned.
And the audience was moved. You could feel it in the air. The place crackled.
This, btw, is in direct contrast to the showing of The Last Temptation of Christ that I went to see in St. Louis. Not only were there protests outside the theater, there was a lynch mob vibe when the show let out.
Granted that was 20 years ago, but still.
And I think all the points you made about proving the fundies right could easily be made re: chick flicks too.
(In the interest of full disclosure, I have a BA in Womens Studies! I was a rompin stompin lil feminist in my day.)
And leading roles for women have always been, almost without exception, stereotypical. (Except for Kate Hepburn movies!) And chick flicks are the bottom of the barrel re: proving the fundies right.
But, hey. It's Hollywood. Whattayagonnado?
Personally, I think the whole Sundance type thing and the whole internets type thing is gonna lead to a redefinition of movies and TV. Someday. And the range of what is widely available (and sought after) will change dramatically.
There was a study done recently, in the last year or so, that tried to figure out "what makes a hit movie/song/etc.". I read about it in an article about the new software that predicts "what makes a hit movie/song/etc." ... I think in the NYT Sunday magazine. They conducted an online study of groups of people who were "in touch" and discussing songs or movies or whatnot. (An iTunes/facebook/myspace type setup) And none of the different groups, tho sorted to try and make all things equal with respect to age/income/taste/etc., none of the groups came up with the same hits.
Not only that, when the re jiggered the groups a bit, they couldn't even replicate the original results.
They thought this might mean that a "nothing" song/movie can take off for these odd, random follow-the-leader type reasons. An early adopter jumps on board and, whoops, a hit.
So. To make a very long story short, I think that a wider range of independent movies/shows/songs, plus giganto amorphous internets, equals a whole bunch of terrific stuff coming down the pipeline. And I think it's gonna move society in ways that are unpredictable (in a good way).

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molbiogirl
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From: MO
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Message 69 of 240 (405453)
06-13-2007 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by subbie
06-12-2007 10:51 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
In the interest of even fuller disclosure, I'm bi. And I came roarin out in the 80s.
And I kinda hafta go with Dan on this one.
Tinky Winky's gay, March of the Penguins' gay ... the homosexual agenda knows no bounds.
(That's Laurie Anderson. Tho I am a performance artist!)

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molbiogirl
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Message 71 of 240 (405473)
06-13-2007 2:41 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by taylor_31
06-13-2007 12:45 AM


Taylor, before you "check out a couple of other options", know this: there is absolutely nothing wrong with you. Period. Full stop.
And just so you know, my best boyfriends (since I was 14 years old) have always been gay. Jack, Denny, Greg, Clint.
I have seen all four of them come out. It wasn't easy for any of them. But everything is A OK now.
More than OK. Jack is out in LA, in the production end of the film business. Denny is a trained opera singer and Kristin Chenoweth's good friend and ex-room mate. I lost track of Greg after high school, but I am from a very small town and I hear he is doing well (I know his mom). Clint just came out last year (at the age of 24) and is deliriously in love with his first boyfriend.
Clint is also a devout Christian and, yes, he came out to his parents. They said "It doesn't matter. We love you."
Please. Don't let anybody blow smoke up your skirt.
You are who you are. And there is NOTHING wrong with that.

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molbiogirl
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Message 119 of 240 (405868)
06-15-2007 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by Hyroglyphx
06-15-2007 10:08 AM


Re: Impartial advice
If you had become sexually aroused by animals in second grade and repressed it and tried to make yourself like girls ... ad nauseum
Nator asked this earlier, but was ignored.
How is homosexuality just like bestiality?

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molbiogirl
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Message 120 of 240 (405870)
06-15-2007 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by riVeRraT
06-15-2007 8:03 AM


Re: The mysteries of life
It's not supposed to be, but people like you will be the first to point out the success rate of heterosexual marriages in this forum.
Your answer doesn't make any sense.
What on earth does the hetero divorce rate have to do with this supposed "competition" between hetero and homo married couples?
And how does this supposed "unfair advantage" translate into real world consequences?

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molbiogirl
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From: MO
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Message 123 of 240 (405875)
06-15-2007 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Hyroglyphx
06-15-2007 11:24 AM


Re: The mysteries of life
If homosexuality was selected by nature, then for what?
Not if, darling. When.
For 10 years Bagemihl scoured the scientific literature, unearthing documented cases of same-sex encounters with apparent sexual significance. He also contacted scores of researchers to add details not included in published papers. The result is a species-by-species profile of more than 470 species.
Link
And this in not an exhaustive list. It's mostly mammals and birds.

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molbiogirl
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Message 125 of 240 (405880)
06-15-2007 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by Hyroglyphx
06-15-2007 11:31 AM


Re: Impartial advice
ab·er·rant
1. Deviating from the proper or expected course. 2. Deviating from what is normal; untrue to type.
Researchers have long known that same-sex erotic contact is common among apes. But de Waal's bonobo research as well as that recently presented by other authors suggest a more provocative conclusion: that homosexuality is consonant with the survival of the species. "Humans have created the myth that sexuality can be justified only by reproduction, which by definition limits it to hetero sex," says Michael Bronski, author of The Pleasure Principle: Culture, Backlash, and the Struggle for Gay Freedom. "But here is an animal society that uses homosexuality to improve its social life."
Bonobos, in fact, who live in the equatorial rain forests of Zaire, have a sex life that would exhaust even the randiest humans, engaging in sexual activity, on average, every 1 1/2 hours, day and night. Females rub their genitalia together in a ritual graphically described as "GG-rubbing"; adolescent males swing from trees to practice what de Waal calls "penis fencing" and "rump-rump rubbing." Masturbation, French-kissing, and oral sex, all generally thought to be the province of humans, are the norm.
Link
The norm, darling. The norm.

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molbiogirl
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Message 129 of 240 (405885)
06-15-2007 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Hyroglyphx
06-15-2007 12:01 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
Likewise, I had three male cats. When one of the cats, (incidently, the only one of them who still had a pair of testicles), would attempt to copulate with other male cats. Consequently, that was his only option. Kind of like looking at the sexual sociology of inmates, who, if they weren't incarcerated, refer to themselves as heterosexuals. So, does that prove that the cat was a homosexual, or does it prove that he was sexual?
470+ species (including gray whales, antelopes, penguins, bison, walrus, dolphins, giraffes, swans, sheep) engage in homosexual behavior, oftentimes exclusively homosexual (up to 10% of population, much like us).
Are you somehow suggesting that an animal that engages exclusively in homosexual behavior is "just sexual"? That doesn't make any sense.
That doesn't answer the question.
See my bonobos post.

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molbiogirl
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Message 132 of 240 (405888)
06-15-2007 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Hyroglyphx
06-15-2007 12:01 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
That doesn't answer the question.
It took 5 minutes of googling to find several theories:
Hutchinson's 1959 theory of balanced superior heterozygotic fitness
MacIntyre and Estep's 1993 sperm competition theory
Getz's 1993 density-dependent polymorphism theory
McKnight's 1997 frequency-dependent sexual selection theory
Should you wish to discuss this further, I'd be more than happy to start a new thread re: "Is Homosexuality Natural?".

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molbiogirl
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Message 136 of 240 (405893)
06-15-2007 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Modulous
06-15-2007 12:28 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
See Thread Homosexuality and Natural Selection. in Forum Social Issues and Creation/Evolution.
Thanks, Mod! I didn't know that was out there.
Care to join me, Nemesis?
It's been over 6 months since you've commented on that thread.

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molbiogirl
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Message 141 of 240 (405903)
06-15-2007 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by Phat
06-15-2007 12:51 PM


Re: Parallels
I'm going to indulge in one more OT comment.
Dancing (Ballet more so than Hip-Hop)does have a higher perce3ntage of homosexuals who pursue it.
Really? Care to provide the cite?

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molbiogirl
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Message 144 of 240 (405911)
06-15-2007 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Jaderis
06-15-2007 1:19 PM


Re: Impartial advice
I've never said that homosexuality is just like beastiality.
It's a common fundie tactic.
Jerry Falwell writes:
So here we have now same-sex marriage. What's next, polygamy? ... Why not? And why not bestiality? CNN, Wolf Blitzer Reports, 2/24/04
Braves pitcher John Smoltz and catcher Eddie Perez reportedly made anti-gay comments this month during interviews with the Associated Press, during which Smoltz is said to have compared same-sex marriage to legalizing bestiality. Washington Blade, 7/16/04
The Santorum controversy arose over former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum's statements about homosexuality and the right to privacy in April 2003. In an interview with the Associated Press (AP) taped on April 7, 2003 and published April 20, 2003, Santorum stated that he believed consenting adults do not have a Constitutional right to privacy with respect to sexual acts. Santorum described the ability to regulate consensual homosexual acts as comparable to the states' ability to regulate other consensual and non-consensual sexual behaviors, such as adultery, polygamy, child molestation, incest, sodomy and zoophilia (bestiality), whose decriminalization he believed would threaten society and the family, as they are not monogamous and heterosexual. Wikipedia

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molbiogirl
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Message 146 of 240 (405917)
06-15-2007 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Hyroglyphx
06-15-2007 1:08 PM


Re: The hijacking of Taylor's thread
You're right. This thread is about Taylor. But, we have quite a few threads in the EvC archives that we could possibly resurrect from the dead.
I've answered your question (Message 132) and I've invited you to discuss this further (Message 136) ... are you willing to continue this debate?

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molbiogirl
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Message 157 of 240 (405999)
06-15-2007 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by iano
06-15-2007 6:40 PM


Re: Impartial advice
You're not saying there is anything untoward about bestial attraction are you (you fundi)??
Actually, no, I'm not.
There is presently considerable debate in psychology over whether certain aspects of zoophilia are better understood as an aberration or as a sexual orientation. The activity or desire itself is no longer classified as a pathology under DSM-IV.
Wikipedia

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