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Author Topic:   Please - Some Impartial Advice Needed
crashfrog
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Message 5 of 240 (404401)
06-08-2007 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by taylor_31
06-08-2007 3:00 PM


I love my mom, and this is a very painful time for me.
It's going to be a long time before it gets better. Ultimately the only thing that can win her over is to see you living your life and happy. That's the only thing that's ever going to convince her that there's not something wrong with you.
Is it possible that she's right and I am deluding myself?
You don't sound like your insane, or an idiot; why would you delude yourself into something that's going to cause you so much grief? I'm not going to sugar-coat it; things with your mom are going to be strained unless you lie to her and tell her you're not really gay after all. Maybe that's a winning strategy until you're not living in her house any more. Up to you.
I tried to make myself like girls.
If you have to try to make yourself attracted to girls, you're not. It's possible you're bisexual (really human sexuality is on a spectrum, not an either/or kind of thing) but it seems pretty likely that you're gay, just from what you've said.
Is it possible to learn to like girls?
If you were straight, you wouldn't have to. But "possible?" Sure; with enough application of electro-shock torture we could probably get you to be sexually attracted to a rubber boot. (That's the operating principle behind the "ex-gay" movements your mother is probably already telling you about, the ones that have absolutely no record of success in terms of changing a person's sexual nature.)
Best of luck, kid. You're in an unenviable position, to be sure; but ultimately everybody winds up challenging their parent's perceptions of them.
Sometimes the gift of a good book can help sway someone. Conservative writer Andrew Sullivan is gay, in addition to being strict Catholic; he writes regularly about both. He might be a voice that your mother finds compelling. He penned "Virtually Normal" to explain how gay rights were a conservative, religious issue; I've not read it but I did give one of his other books to my mother ("The Conservative Soul").
Anyway, you're not the one who has to worry about being self-deluded. If I were you I'd be making plans to live on your own as soon as you can. In all honesty, I don't think things with your mother are going to go well for a while. But eventually I think she'll come around.

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crashfrog
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From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 27 of 240 (404886)
06-10-2007 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Jon
06-10-2007 10:26 AM


Don't come out, ever. I don't know of any heterosexual people who run around telling all their friends that they're straight.
What? We all do this, Jon. All straight people "come out", constantly, to everyone around them.
The guy who talks about his weekend in Aspen with his girlfriend just came out about being straight.
Your boss with pictures of his wife and kids on the desk just came out about being straight - he's flaunting it, right in your face, that he's having sex with a woman.
Your buddy who says "damn, Giada de Laurentis is hot to death!" just came out about being straight.
Your problem is that you're so wrapped up in heteronormativity that you don't see these admissions as significant. But here's an experiment. Go an entire week without making any sort of reference to the gender of the person you're attracted to; your spouse or partner. Any indication of that person's gender, or the gender of someone you're attracted to, is "coming out straight." See if you can live by your own advice before telling taylor what to do.
Just go about your business as if everyone around you were also gay
That's what coming out means. It means being able to make conversation about you and your boyfriend seeing Ocean's Thirteen. It means being able to talk about your personal life, like straight people do.

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crashfrog
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Message 39 of 240 (405069)
06-11-2007 2:06 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by taylor_31
06-10-2007 2:09 AM


She has talked to my dad, and she says that they are going to make me quit my job, get me away from my gay friend, and make me work for my dad in the oil field.
Well, I'd tell them to go fuck themselves, but that's just me.
Honestly? You may have to get used to the idea of not being able to depend on your parents for support. If your plan was to go to college and have them pay for it, or part of it, I'd be making plans for how you can go to college without any input from them.
If they're at the point where they think they can "meddle" you into not being gay anymore, and they have no problem isolating you from your friends, then there's nothing they won't be prepared to try to take from you.
Talk to your high school guidance counselor. See what they know about financial aid for people who are no longer their parent's dependents (if they cut you off, you're your own dependent, and you shouldn't let them claim you as a dependent child anymore.)
Sometimes a little show of independence goes a long way. When I was a teenager, my parents always gave me a hard time about staying out late with my friends. The first Christmas I was home from college, I came back one night at like 2 in the morning from my buddy's house. I found my dad waiting up so he could yell at me. "If you stay under this roof, you'll follow my rules!"
So I packed my bag again and left again. Not my fault he yelled in the form of a contingency. I went back to my buddy's house and stayed with him. No biggie; he was housesitting for his parents and had plenty of room. We had a hell of a time for a few days, just goofing off; in the meantime, my dad realized it wasn't his place anymore to try to regulate my life, especially on vacation. That was a really powerful turning point in our relationship for us; in time it brought us to a place of grater mutual respect.
All I'm saying is, you need to indicate to your parents that you're an adult, and this is an adult decision that you've made, not the whim of a child. And part of proving your adulthood is standing firm and realizing that you're not responsible for other people's actions.
I hope college is something you had planned. And I hope it's something that you can figure out how to have it not be contingent on your parent's money, because I think they're going to try to cut you off. Just my feeling. You're smart enough that you should go, though, for sure.

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1488 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 61 of 240 (405416)
06-12-2007 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Taz
06-12-2007 12:13 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
I haven't seen the movie, but do those things happen because of homosexuality?
Or because of closeted homosexuality?

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1488 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 64 of 240 (405422)
06-12-2007 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Taz
06-12-2007 8:16 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
People that have been opposed to gay rights walked away thinking that the movie has just proved their position all along.
I agree, but not in the way that you're thinking. Most of those people didn't go see the movie, after all, so what was confirmed for them was the idea that "Hollyweird" was openly cramming "tolerance for queers" down their throats.
I don't think most of the people you're talking about used the plot of the movie to confirm their biases; they used its existence. I'm just sayin'.

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1488 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 84 of 240 (405619)
06-14-2007 12:15 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Buzsaw
06-13-2007 11:57 PM


Re: Buzsaw Weighing In Here
It's also in the insect world.
Lol! You wish it was. You're more likely to find in the insect world that some female is jamming her ovipositor right into the larvae of some other species to lay her eggs - the male being an essentially disposable sperm transportation vehicle. In a lot of such species, the male adults cannot even feed.
That's the model you're looking at, Buz? Once again, I guess we see what happens when Buz thinks he knows it all - he winds up knowing nearly nothing at all.
What's normal pertaining to our bodies is best.
I'm curious, in your view, what the mechanism is that inflicts on my body (for instance) the consequences of other people thinking what I do isn't normal.
What's normal to our bodies is what's best for our bodies. Taylor has a different body than you do. That's why it's not good for diabetics to eat sugar, for instance, even though it's perfectly normal for everybody else.
More Buz facts, I guess. Taylor, don't assume for a minute that his facts have any connection to reality.

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1488 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 232 of 240 (406707)
06-21-2007 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by Buzsaw
06-21-2007 10:29 PM


Doctors don't kill children.

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