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Author Topic:   Please - Some Impartial Advice Needed
riVeRraT
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Message 151 of 240 (405939)
06-15-2007 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by jar
06-15-2007 10:41 AM


Re: Your pastor is way off in left field.
Homosexuals don't need to be changed for the better.
I didn't say homosexuals, I said people, and we all can be changed for the better.
I have decided to accept gay marriage IN THE STATE, not religion. I have stated that I do not feel it is right (and that I might be wrong about it) but have chosen to not let my personal opinion affect others.
I do not understand homosexual attractions, and perhaps I never will.
I feel it is a sin, but I am not judging anyone who does it, since I myself am a sinner. I am not happy with my own sin, so why should I be happy with others?
And once again the classic Christian Communion of Bobble-heads defense.
What is it exactly that I am defending?
I had the encounter and Jesus said "Tell riVeRraT to get marriage rights for my Gay Sheep and to tell his pastor to stop persecuting me."
Now you are making shit up, like in your Bush's stupid war thread.
This is the gospel according to jar....amen.

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riVeRraT
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Message 152 of 240 (405943)
06-15-2007 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by molbiogirl
06-15-2007 1:37 PM


Re: Impartial advice
It's a common fundie tactic.
Or a truth.
Way to oppose a tactic, with another tactic.
But you've compared the wrong thing, and have not answered the question, what is next?

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jar
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Message 153 of 240 (405950)
06-15-2007 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by riVeRraT
06-15-2007 3:16 PM


Re: Your pastor is way off in left field.
jar writes:
I had the encounter and Jesus said "Tell riVeRraT to get marriage rights for my Gay Sheep and to tell his pastor to stop persecuting me."
to which riVeRraT mumbled:
quote:
Now you are making shit up, like in your Bush's stupid war thread.
How come your encounter with Jesus is valid and mine is "made up"?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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iano
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Message 154 of 240 (405971)
06-15-2007 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Jaderis
06-15-2007 1:19 PM


Re: Impartial advice
Jaderis writes:
No, but you applauded Iano, for his "well written reply to Taylor" (Message 63) in which Iano compared homosexual desires to bestial desires, which implies that you agree with his sentiment.
The point was that Taylor would be unlikely to arrive here seeking impartial advice were his sexual attrractions aimed in a bestial direction. The point had to do with what one considered peer-acceptable.
You're not saying there is anything untoward about bestial attraction are you (you fundi)??
Edited by iano, : No reason given.
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
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Message 155 of 240 (405975)
06-15-2007 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Hyroglyphx
06-15-2007 2:52 PM


Re: Impartial advice
NJ writes:
No one is comparing homosexuals to proponents of beastiality. No one is saying that if you engage in homosexuality that you are the same as a pedophile, or a zoophile, or what have you. It's used to show that feelings do not encapsulate who (you) are. And, in fact, its a caveat against the foolishly naive notion of, "follow your heart, and you can't go wrong!"
That's about it. You reading this Taylor?

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riVeRraT
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Message 156 of 240 (405980)
06-15-2007 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by jar
06-15-2007 4:07 PM


Re: Your pastor is way off in left field.
How come your encounter with Jesus is valid and mine is "made up"?
Because you had to ask.
I think the funniest thing about this thread, is that none of this advice is really that impartial.
But I am sure talyor will pick and choose what rings true in his heart.

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molbiogirl
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Message 157 of 240 (405999)
06-15-2007 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by iano
06-15-2007 6:40 PM


Re: Impartial advice
You're not saying there is anything untoward about bestial attraction are you (you fundi)??
Actually, no, I'm not.
There is presently considerable debate in psychology over whether certain aspects of zoophilia are better understood as an aberration or as a sexual orientation. The activity or desire itself is no longer classified as a pathology under DSM-IV.
Wikipedia

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molbiogirl
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Message 158 of 240 (406001)
06-15-2007 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Hyroglyphx
06-15-2007 2:52 PM


Re: Impartial advice
Animals don't give consent in the wild either. Ever see bulls and cows mate? Or alley cats?
Wrong.
About 20 percent of queens (female cat) have a pre-heat, during which they make shrill, discordant caterwauling noises, rub up against anything and everything, roll, tread in place or claw themselves forward on the carpet while dragging slightly elevated hindquarters. Cat owners often mistake these antics for an indication of extreme pain. However, this feline break-dance is simply a way to attract a partner.
http://www.catchannel.com
Once attracted by the queen, the toms engage in courtship behavior, for hours.
When the queen is ready, she chooses her mate.
She crouches down and offers her rump to the tom cat with her tail upright and off to one side. The tom will move towards her, arching his back as he does so. He starts the pelvic thrusts and grab the queen by the neck. This is a grab and not a bite and doesn't break the skin.
During copulation, the queen will scream, turning and rolling. Copulation last 1-4 minutes.
Just because your bedroom antics don't measure up to the tom and the queen doesn't mean the mating rituals of the cat are equivalent to rape.
That somehow is used to show how its a natural thing. But somehow, if someone said, "I've always been attracted to goats, ever since I was a young shepherd," the same reasoning isn't extended. Why is that?
Who says it isn't?
Some, such as philosopher and animal liberation author Peter Singer, argue that zoophilia is not unethical if there is no harm or cruelty to the animal.
See also Message 157.

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nator
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Message 159 of 240 (406085)
06-16-2007 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by riVeRraT
06-15-2007 8:03 AM


Re: The mysteries of life
I had no idea that that marriage success was a competition between couples.
quote:
It's not supposed to be,
You seem to think it is, what with your comment about the "unfair advantage" that same sex couples would have if they were allowed to marry.
I said that in response to something you said, rat. YOU are the one bringing competition into the conversation.
quote:
but people like you will be the first to point out the success rate of heterosexual marriages in this forum.
If I do or don't has no relevance to my response to your comment.
If a couple has more than two children, they are are contributing to the world's overpopulation. In particular, more American children contribute to the depletion of the world's resources many times more than children in most any other place in the world.
quote:
Why, because we have most of the food? That is pure BS nator, way to take a thread off-topic....again.
The worlds resources, rat. Food, yes, but also oil, natural gas, water, coal, wood/paper, iron and other metals, various minerals, etc. The average American throws away more stuff in a year than millions of people in the developing world will ever own in their entire lives.
Though accounting for only 5 percent of the world's population, Americans consume 26 percent of the world's energy. (American Almanac)
To be honest, having lots of kids because you like to have them around doesn't seem like the best reason to have them.
quote:
Just back off, you are un-American.
How is it unamerican to want the planet to be able to sustain human (which includes American humans) life far into the future?
Having lots of kids just because you like having them around just doesn't seem like a great reason to have them, is all. It just seems to be more about what your needs and wants are than the kids'. That has nothing to do with being "unamerican" or whatever.
Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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nator
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Message 160 of 240 (406086)
06-16-2007 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Hyroglyphx
06-15-2007 10:08 AM


Re: Impartial advice
Since it seems that Iano is uninterested in answering the objections to his post, perhaps you might answer my question, since you liked hois reply so much.
Can you explain how homosexuality is just like bestiality?
In particular, can you explain the issue of "consent" as it relates to bestiality and human/human sex?

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nator
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Message 161 of 240 (406087)
06-16-2007 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by iano
06-15-2007 6:40 PM


Re: Impartial advice
quote:
You're not saying there is anything untoward about bestial attraction are you (you fundi)??
Animals cannot give consent.

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nator
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Message 162 of 240 (406088)
06-16-2007 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Hyroglyphx
06-15-2007 2:52 PM


Re: Impartial advice
quote:
Animals don't give consent in the wild either. Ever see bulls and cows mate? Or alley cats? Its not consentual.
That is ridiculous.
I've witnessed horses breed in the pasture. A mare that is not ready will kick the shit out of the stallion if he is too pushy. She allows mating when she is ready, and not before.
In fact, many purebred stallions are too valuable to risk turning out with a bunch of mares, or even one, just in case one of them might injure him, and those who never learn to be patient and polite and court a mare properly really do pretty much become "rapists" in the highly controlled "breeding shed" covers.
Females of most species have a LOT of control over which male they mate with.
All this time on this board and you have never retained the term "sexual selection", juggs?

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iano
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Message 163 of 240 (406089)
06-16-2007 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by nator
06-16-2007 7:58 PM


Re: Impartial advice
The word was 'untoward" not "spot the difference". Your not telling me that the inability of an animal to consent to sexual relations with a human renders a humans sexual attraction (expressed towards it)... untoward.
*tosses an 8oz burger on the BBQ*

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nator
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Message 164 of 240 (406127)
06-17-2007 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by iano
06-16-2007 8:14 PM


Re: Impartial advice
If you have a point, make it.
Your attempts at clever wordplay are resulting in a mismash of word salad. This is the usual we see from you; you make claims, you are plainly asked to support them, you then avoid answering the questions with a combination of equivocation, redefining terms to suit yourself, and in general obfuscating the conversation with mucking about as much as possible. Then, you run away.
You compared homosexual attraction with being sexually attracted to different species.
These things are not comparable, even if one removes the cultural moral judgements.
Of course, you could explain to me how they are similar, as I asked.
You won't though, and will continue as I have described above.
Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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riVeRraT
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Message 165 of 240 (406130)
06-17-2007 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 159 by nator
06-16-2007 7:34 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
I said that in response to something you said, rat. YOU are the one bringing competition into the conversation.
Ok, fine, but I wasn't bringing that up on the premise of competition. I am just pointing out what the facts are, and what they could mean.
Also to represent, that homosexual marriage, and heterosexual marriage, are not the same thing. there is an obvious difference.
The worlds resources, rat. Food, yes, but also oil, natural gas, water, coal, wood/paper, iron and other metals, various minerals, etc. The average American throws away more stuff in a year than millions of people in the developing world will ever own in their entire lives.
Again, it is clear that you have no idea how hard it would be to give away that stuff to other nations, if you wanted to.
There is enough food, and supplies for everyone to exist at this current point in time, ESPECIALLY HERE.
How is it unamerican to want the planet to be able to sustain human (which includes American humans) life far into the future?
Because it is an unwarranted thing to request. Everything is fine.
It is the governments of the world, and the corrupt people of the world that are screwing things up. And that is a percentage thing, not a population thing.
Having lots of kids just because you like having them around just doesn't seem like a great reason to have them, is all.
You assuming that is unAmerican, it is a free country, and your overpopulation worries, are just opinions. There is nothing that makes your opinion superceed mine.

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