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Phat
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Message 196 of 240 (406348)
06-19-2007 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by Taz
06-19-2007 12:33 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
sorry, but if I ever get a chance to talk to your incarcerated kids, I will do so and you won't have a thing to say about it. They will learn how to deal with your shit.

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Taz
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Message 197 of 240 (406360)
06-19-2007 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by Phat
06-19-2007 12:39 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
Let me guess, are you having your manly period?

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Phat
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Message 198 of 240 (406362)
06-19-2007 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by Taz
06-19-2007 2:09 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
Taz writes:
Let me guess, are you having your manly period?
No...actually I have been rather on edge lately since I have started my counseling. Its almost as if my defenses are down...I also got into an altercation with a brusque foreign guy who demanded that I open a new line at work. I told him that I would decide when and if to do so, and he yelled, "Who do you think you are? I'm the customer!"
He then tried to get me fired for daring to challenge his male ego.
Bottom line: He may have been right, but he was rude about it...and nobody tells me what to do! (This is how on edge I have been since I started counseling a month ago! I have been much more in touch with my inner self, yet unable to as easily control my outer self, except that I no longer gamble)

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riVeRraT
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From: NY USA
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Message 199 of 240 (406382)
06-19-2007 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by nator
06-19-2007 9:21 AM


Re: The mysteries of life
Do you have any daughters, rat?
Why should I have her neutered?
Are you going to continue arguing the person?
Really I never met someone who was so interested in my life. You make me feel special, like the way a deer feels when being hunted.

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riVeRraT
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Message 200 of 240 (406384)
06-19-2007 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Taz
06-19-2007 11:25 AM


Re: The mysteries of life
Oh wait, you don't see what I mean the same way that you don't know your breath stinks.
Maybe I know my breath stinks, but it only stinks to those who have a bad sniffer.
Perhaps you're not even aware of it, but you're going to let a few phrases slip out here and there.
Don't worry, phrases slip out all the time, about all subjects, including myself. That is a New Yorker for ya.
Because anything I say will always have a chance of letting the listener hear my personal bias against it.
Whatever, you have a right to be that way. Doesn't justify you telling me I have to be that way.
But then today we live in an age when everyone has an opinion on everything about everything. Can't blame you for having an opinion...
and an asshole.
I know it's my opinion, I've stated that many times.
It is also my opinion to be for gay marriage.
Yeah, and forever slavery was legal and encourage. What's your point?
Like I said, new ideas are going to be surrounded with confusion.
you're going to occasionally let it slip out that you think god hates it. Like I said before, young people, especially high schoolers, think it's the cool thing to hate people who are different. You're going to reinforce this immature hate with your preaching.
There you go again, this is getting exhausting. You are blending hating the sin, vs hating the sinner.
Every time I mention my feelings on it, I am sure to clarify that we are to love the sinner.
Of course I do. What I'm saying is that your not liking the act will definitely leak over the accepting the person side. Perhaps not intentionally.
Dude, I am surrounded by gay people, in my family, and my friends, I don't need your opinion on it, theirs is enough.
ou are still seeing your reaction to homosexuality as an ordianry, no-harm's-done, everyday reaction.
Um, no I don't.
I have explained that I do not understand it, and PERHAPS I never will. Can you blame me for that?
In other words, that means I am still learning.
Anyway, I'm done talking about this. You can continue whatever you are doing. I guess sometimes you just can't convince the person that his breath stinks if he insists that the smell is pleasant.
Stinky breath is subjective anyway.
{ABE}
I also think you need to go back a read my posts again. You make to many false accusations, a typical debating tactic.
I have stated that for me, I consider that homosexual sex is a sin, and the bible also implies the same thing.
My advice to taylor was for him to seek God, and find out for himself. If taylor thinks in his heart that he is not sinning, then that is between him and God, not me and him.
I don't have a problem with him being gay.
Edited by riVeRraT, : abe

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riVeRraT
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Message 201 of 240 (406386)
06-19-2007 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by tudwell
06-19-2007 11:41 AM


Re: The mysteries of life
lmao, just got real bad visuals.
We don't even know if cavemen had sex for just pleasure anyway.

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nator
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Message 202 of 240 (406427)
06-19-2007 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by riVeRraT
06-19-2007 4:48 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
The reason I asked about the existence of any daughters is that every time you talk about gay marriage or gay sex or anything having to do with homosexuality, you only talk about males.
In this thread, you have mentioned how you would talk to your son about being gay if he told you he was, and you talk about not understanding how men could be attracted to each other, etc.
I even mocked you upthread about not mentioning lesbians, yet you are seemingly concerned exclusively (obsessed, really) with male homosexual relationships and how bad they are in the eyes of God, how you will never understand it, etc.
That's why I wondered if you had any daughters, because you were speaking as though you only had sons.
Maybe you don't think that God thinks that lesbians are as bad as gay men.
Maybe you just don't care all that much about females or don't think they are as important, so being a lesbian isn't as big a deal to you.
Or maybe you don't get the "ick factor" about gay women like you do about gay men because you are sexually aroused by the straight male fantasy version of lesbians.
Whatever the reason, it sure seems like you only care about what gay men are doing. Lesbians don't even seem to show up on your radar, but they are just as gay as the men.
Why do you think that is?

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 203 of 240 (406458)
06-20-2007 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 202 by nator
06-19-2007 11:02 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
I have a daughter, and when I use the word gay, or homosexual, I am referring to both sex's.
At one point in time, I could look at lesbian's and be turned on (if they were good looking) but now the reality of it is that those women,(true lesbians) usually hate men, and have no interest in me, or any other guy, which is a turn-off to me. Or they are experimenting women, who are not interested in monogamy, another turn-off.
Sex is great, but true love is better.

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Rahvin
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Message 204 of 240 (406463)
06-20-2007 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by riVeRraT
06-20-2007 8:23 AM


Re: The mysteries of life
At one point in time, I could look at lesbian's and be turned on (if they were good looking) but now the reality of it is that those women,(true lesbians) usually hate men, and have no interest in me, or any other guy, which is a turn-off to me. Or they are experimenting women, who are not interested in monogamy, another turn-off.
So...not only are lesbians either man-hating femi-nazis, or complete sluts, your approval or disapproval is directly tied to your own sexual arousal.
Nice, Rat.
Sex is great, but true love is better.
And somehow true love is impossible if you're gay? I'm pretty sure being in a loving, monogamous relationship was why many gays want to get married in the first place.
And stop with the "hate the sin, love the sinner" bullshit, because that's exactly what it is. If you honestly believe that a basic characteristic of a person like sexual orientation is evil, and will send them to Hell, a sin just like murder and theft, then you hate them. It doesn't matter that you hate your own sin as well - having issues with yourself is irrelevant.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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nator
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Message 205 of 240 (406502)
06-20-2007 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by riVeRraT
06-20-2007 8:23 AM


Re: The mysteries of life
quote:
I have a daughter, and when I use the word gay, or homosexual, I am referring to both sex's.
I don't think so.
I think you pretty much only think of males when the word "gay" is used.
That's why you only ever talked about gay male sex, and only mentioned talking to your son if he was gay, not your son and daughter.
If you were referring to both, you wouldn't have done those things.
You would have, you know, actually referred to both.
quote:
At one point in time, I could look at lesbian's and be turned on (if they were good looking) but now the reality of it is that those women,(true lesbians) usually hate men,
Lesbians don't hate men, despite the popular myth that they do. All of the lesbians I have ever known have had male friends, and some of them have lots of male friends, both gay and straight, and some also have lots of female friends, both gay and straight.
I have friends of both genders, and some of them are straight and some of them are gay.
Seriously, rat, where do you get this shit? Wherever you got it from is full of crap.
quote:
and have no interest in me, or any other guy, which is a turn-off to me.
They don't have a sexual interest in you, or any man, no.
Unless they are bisexual, of course.
quote:
Sex is great, but true love is better.
Yeah. True love between two men, or two women, or a woman and a man, is way better than just sex.

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 206 of 240 (406521)
06-20-2007 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by Rahvin
06-20-2007 8:53 AM


Re: The mysteries of life
, your approval or disapproval is directly tied to your own sexual arousal.
My response was directly related to the question of whether looking at two women turn me on, which nator asked earlier.
So yes, it is directly related to my own sexual arousal.
And somehow true love is impossible if you're gay? I'm pretty sure being in a loving, monogamous relationship was why many gays want to get married in the first place.
That has nothing to do with what I said.
I never claimed that gays don't love each other. They must because they want to get married, and I support that.
Stop with your bullshit.
If you honestly believe that a basic characteristic of a person like sexual orientation is evil, and will send them to Hell,
You fucking moron, please point out where I said that.
I sin, and I ain't going to hell, why would a gay person? Just fucking amazing!
I swear, I am the only one in the world who gets it!
Edited by AdminPhat, : spellcheck

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 207 of 240 (406522)
06-20-2007 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by nator
06-20-2007 5:54 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
I don't think so.
I think you pretty much only think of males when the word "gay" is used.
I don't care what you think, I've already explained where I am coming from. Accept it, or live in a lie.
Lesbians don't hate men,
Sexually they do, and that is what I was talking about. Stop confusing love with sex.
Seriously, rat, where do you get this shit?
When you make it up.
They don't have a sexual interest in you, or any man, no.
Oh so now you do get it?
Shit, make=up your mind.
You have set a record for contradicting yourself this thread, and setting double standards.
Yeah. True love between two men, or two women, or a woman and a man, is way better than just sex.
No shit, that is why I mentioned it.

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Taz
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Message 208 of 240 (406523)
06-20-2007 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by riVeRraT
06-20-2007 10:26 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
riverrat writes:
Sexually they do, and that is what I was talking about.
Haha.
So, I now can safely say that I hate other men... sexually of course.

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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 503 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 209 of 240 (406530)
06-20-2007 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by Taz
06-20-2007 10:31 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
So if you see two guys kissing, you hate that?

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Taz
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Posts: 5069
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Message 210 of 240 (406532)
06-20-2007 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by riVeRraT
06-20-2007 11:14 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
That's not what you said. You said lesbians hated men sexually. If you can say that, then I can say that I hate men sexually, too. This makes you and I the masters of the bleeding obvious.
So if you see two guys kissing, you hate that?
Not really. When two guys kiss, I might say to myself that I don't want to kiss them, but I also realize that it's none of my bussiness to whether to like or dislike. After all, I kiss my wife and hold her hands in public all the time. Hell, I even cram my sexuality down other people's throats everytime I introduce her to people.
So, the answer is no, I do not hate that. It's called a combination of empathy and the golden rule. I wouldn't want other people to hate it when I hold my wife's hands or kiss her.

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