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Author Topic:   Please - Some Impartial Advice Needed
jar
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Message 106 of 240 (405758)
06-14-2007 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by riVeRraT
06-14-2007 5:47 PM


Your pastor is way off in left field.
I know that this is a sensitive issue in many circles, both Christian & non-Christian. However, Scripture is clear that God hates homosexuality (sin) and loves the sinner (all of us) (Rom. 1:18-27; Eph 5:3) . So our prayers should defintely be geared towards these people come to an encounter with Jesus.
Your pastor is 100% wrong. Screw the encounter with Jesus, that is unimportant and irrelevant, pointless and worthless.
What you should be praying for is that those people get the civil rights they deserve, that they get all of the protections of marriage should they decide to enter into such a contract and that folk like Pastor Bridgeforth get a hearty Dope Slap to remind him that his email is nothing but sanctioning bigotry.
The city he fine but his immortal soul is in great danger.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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bluegenes
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Message 107 of 240 (405764)
06-14-2007 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Modulous
06-14-2007 5:14 PM


Re: an asside on the character of the US
Modulous writes:
I think its about 70-80% Christian in the US and Spain is over 90%.
I remember reading recently that 50% of Spanish don't believe in the Christian God, and being slightly surprised that disbelief was that high. But I'm fairly sure that no European country, even Poland, has a 90% rate of theism.
From memory, in answer to the question "Do you believe in God or a supreme being", the highest rates of "yes" answers in Europe (Poland, Ireland, Italy and Portugal) were around 65 to 70%, slightly below the U.S. at between 70 and 80%.
We were 38% yes, 34% no, and 28% don't know, with 5% regularly attending churches (mosques, synagogues, temples, stone circles, etc)
Canada and Australia beat the US in rape.
Possibly meaning that Canadian and Australian women are more likely to be confident in sympathetic treatment from the police/courts, so the report rate is higher.
There are "lies, damned lies, and statistics" as Wellington (I think) once said!

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Taz
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Message 108 of 240 (405768)
06-14-2007 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by subbie
06-14-2007 3:28 PM


Re: Buzsaw Weighing In Here
subbie writes:
I certainly agree with your general assessment that the vocal christians are those who speak out against homosexuals and gay marriage. It may well be a reflection of the fact that hate generally gets more attention in the news than love does.
I don't think you got my point.
I'm not just talking about the loud ones. I'm not just talking about the ones that got all the attention. I'm talking about the ones that seem to be taking over.
If they are a few but loud ones, then we shouldn't be seeing state after state each year passing ban after ban of gay marriage and any kind of civil union for gay people that remotely resemble marriage. In other words, yes there are a few that are loud. But clearly, they also seem to have the majority.
Just the other day, I was listening on npr about interracial marriage in the deep south bible belt. They interviewed a 24 year old woman. Yes, the interview was done in 2007. She married a black man. She said that just about everybody in town look down on their relationship, that they'd call her husband nigger all the time, that they even beat her husband up a few time while telling him to stay away from white women.
You can't say "but it's only a small minority" if the whole town seem to be doing it and the tolerant ones don't say a word.
If there really are good christians out there and if they have the number (the quiet majority bullshit), we shouldn't be seeing these bigotted legislations being passed via referrandums. Just the mere fact that the sodomy laws were finally declared unconstitutional in the 21st century should be proof enough that there is no such thing as the "quiet majority".


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Taz
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Message 109 of 240 (405771)
06-14-2007 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by riVeRraT
06-14-2007 5:47 PM


Re: Buzsaw Weighing In Here
riverrat writes:
What do you think?
I'm sorry... are you trying to make a point somewhere?


We are BOG. Resistance is voltage over current.
Disclaimer:
Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style.
He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!

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nator
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Message 110 of 240 (405787)
06-14-2007 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by riVeRraT
06-14-2007 10:58 AM


Re: The mysteries of life
quote:
I would think men, would have an easier time at understand other men, than woman-man.
To me, it is almost like an unfair advantage.
I had no idea that that marriage success was a competition between couples.
So, are you saying that we shouldn't allow gay people to marry because they would be too successful at marriage and would make the heteros all look bad? That is incredibly petty!
quote:
I have 3 of my own. I had one with an ex, then met my current wife, and we had two more. I love kids, and want to have at least two in my life.
If a couple has more than two children, they are are contributing to the world's overpopulation. In particular, more American children contribute to the depletion of the world's resources many times more than children in most any other place in the world.
If a couple has two children, then they are neither adding to nor reducing overpopulation, as they are simply replacing themselves.
If a couple has one or no children, they are reducing overpopulation.
quote:
The other two, came with my wife, and I love them. One is handicap, and is the best kid in the world. All of them receive there needs in life. It's not like we have an overpopulation problem here in America.
Er, rat? How many unwanted children are waiting for adoption in America?
And besides, we aren't talking about overpopulation in America. Part of the reason the Earth is in such trouble is because we Americans are gobbling up so much of the natural resources, far out of proportion to most of the rest of the world.
More Americans = less for everyone.
quote:
Once I got my children, I cut my nuts, so as not to make too many. I think that is fair.
Three kids is too many from a global population growth standpoint.
To be honest, having lots of kids because you like to have them around doesn't seem like the best reason to have them.
Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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Modulous
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Message 111 of 240 (405826)
06-15-2007 2:18 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Neutralmind
06-14-2007 6:26 PM


Re: an aside on the character of the US
As I said - the stats are debatable, but I provided my source (CIA factbook). If they are predominantly atheist despite the self-identification as belonging to the Church of X, that doesn't help the case that they are low on violent crime. The point being that the statement made was fallacious in some fashion.
Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

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riVeRraT
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Message 112 of 240 (405845)
06-15-2007 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by jar
06-14-2007 7:18 PM


Re: Your pastor is way off in left field.
Your pastor is 100% wrong. Screw the encounter with Jesus, that is unimportant and irrelevant, pointless and worthless.
All that sounds like to me, is that you have never had an encounter with Jesus, so I guess you would think that way, as I once did.
I am sorry jar, but I believe Jesus (not religion) can change people, for the better.

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riVeRraT
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Message 113 of 240 (405847)
06-15-2007 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Taz
06-14-2007 8:23 PM


Re: Buzsaw Weighing In Here
Well, I have learned much here, and I am just trying to make a difference among other Christians.

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riVeRraT
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Message 114 of 240 (405848)
06-15-2007 8:03 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by nator
06-14-2007 9:33 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
I had no idea that that marriage success was a competition between couples.
It's not supposed to be, but people like you will be the first to point out the success rate of heterosexual marriages in this forum.
If a couple has more than two children, they are are contributing to the world's overpopulation. In particular, more American children contribute to the depletion of the world's resources many times more than children in most any other place in the world.
Why, because we have most of the food? That is pure BS nator, way to take a thread off-topic....again.
You should try feeding the rest of the world someday, it's not as easy as you think it would be.
To be honest, having lots of kids because you like to have them around doesn't seem like the best reason to have them.
Just back off, you are un-American.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 115 of 240 (405853)
06-15-2007 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Taz
06-11-2007 7:25 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
If tomorrow they suddenly find a cure for heterosexuality, I will gladly take the cure.
Its one thing to accept homosexuality. Its another thing altogether to renounce heterosexuality in the process.
I'm going to pulverize the obvious here... Without heterosexuals, there would be no homosexuals. 'Nuff said.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 116 of 240 (405855)
06-15-2007 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by iano
06-12-2007 8:16 PM


Impartial advice
If you had become sexually aroused by animals in second grade and repressed it and tried to make yourself like girls..etc. Then what? Would you be on this site looking for impartial advice? That you surely wouldn't re:animals but do re: gay underlines acceptance of an agenda, to whit: that gay is fine in principle (whatever the local issues). Whether it is or isn't isn't the question. The question is are you trying to solve a problem you have by coming out. Or trying to solve a problem you have by applying the wrong solution?
A well-written reply for Taylor.
Oh, and welcome back. You were missed-- alot by your contemporaries, but mostly by your detractors.

"I marvel that where the ambitious dreams of myself and of Alexander and of Caesar should have vanished into thin air, a Judean peasant”- Jesus ”-should be able to stretch his hands across the centuries, and control the destinies of men and nations." -Napoleon Bonaparte

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Wounded King
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Message 117 of 240 (405860)
06-15-2007 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by Hyroglyphx
06-15-2007 9:59 AM


Re: The mysteries of life
I'm going to pulverize the obvious here... Without heterosexuals, there would be no homosexuals. 'Nuff said.
With modern reproductive science this is less true than it ever has been, and it never has been all that true unless you consider a heterosexual orientation to be a prerequisite for heterosexual sex.
so all you seem to be pulverising is the obvious strawman that seems to be constantly pulled out in so many discussions of homosexuality in an evolutionary context, that homosexual men can't have heterosexual sex for the purposes of reproduction.
TTFN,
WK

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 118 of 240 (405862)
06-15-2007 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by riVeRraT
06-15-2007 7:56 AM


Re: Your pastor is way off in left field.
I am sorry jar, but I believe Jesus (not religion) can change people, for the better.
Homosexuals don't need to be changed for the better. They need folk like your Pastor out working to get them their God Given Rights.
All that sounds like to me, is that you have never had an encounter with Jesus, so I guess you would think that way, as I once did.
And once again the classic Christian Communion of Bobble-heads defense. I had the encounter and Jesus said "Tell riVeRraT to get marriage rights for my Gay Sheep and to tell his pastor to stop persecuting me."

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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molbiogirl
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Message 119 of 240 (405868)
06-15-2007 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by Hyroglyphx
06-15-2007 10:08 AM


Re: Impartial advice
If you had become sexually aroused by animals in second grade and repressed it and tried to make yourself like girls ... ad nauseum
Nator asked this earlier, but was ignored.
How is homosexuality just like bestiality?

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molbiogirl
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Message 120 of 240 (405870)
06-15-2007 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by riVeRraT
06-15-2007 8:03 AM


Re: The mysteries of life
It's not supposed to be, but people like you will be the first to point out the success rate of heterosexual marriages in this forum.
Your answer doesn't make any sense.
What on earth does the hetero divorce rate have to do with this supposed "competition" between hetero and homo married couples?
And how does this supposed "unfair advantage" translate into real world consequences?

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