Peanut Gallery for the Keys/RAZD Debate

Keys has shown that he believes the tree rings do not represent years when talking about pre-flood conditions. He states that growth rates where higher in those times and science does not have any evidence to show otherwise. Razd has shown that counting tree rings has added up to what scientists believe is a 9000 year history. If the Earth is only 6000 years old at least 3000 rings must have been produced in these accelerated pre-flood conditions.The problem with Keys logic is that it appears to conflict with 'creation science' geology. These trees grew above what creationists insist is evidence of a world wide flood. How did these trees survive a world wide flood that raised mountains and moved continents in a single year; yet at the same time manage to be growing on top of the very same flood deposits?

My mistake for not reading the entire thread before posting in the peanut gallery! I did not think he would shift his position so fast in the debate.From this: To this: To his credit, now he does not have to explain how the trees got on top of the flood deposits. All he had to do was make an accelerated process even faster.Its a wonder though that Noah could build an ark out of such bizarre materials. As fast as he cut the tree it would repair itself. Was this hyper growth in effect before the flood or just in the small period of time after? ( The period of time before the new laws came into effect )

The position that Simple has presented so far is somewhat confusing. A quick summary and I begin to find this reality to be very disturbing.

• Trees once grew rings that appear to represent years, but could in fact represent minutes/hours.
• Ice layers formed in such a way that they mimic yearly growth in seconds/minutes.
• Parent/Daughter elements where created in a perfect balance in a short time to exactly match decay rates found today.
• Ice and trees formed in such a way that some layers/rings appear to have experienced a similar event (eg. volcano) but did not.
• Pollen and dust settled differently in this past state. Though falling very rapidly it mirrored present day yearly patterns in the previously rapid forming glaciers.
• Some different form of light was able to travel at miraculous speeds across the universe only to slow down to a paltry 3x10(8)m/sec as it got close to Earth. From this point it became actual light.
• This different light from a past state carries information to us about the present. Exploding stars that appear to be more than 4500 light years away must be visible to us via this different light, yet stars where eternal in this past state - so it must be a present state event carried by past state light.
• Molecules and atoms behaved differently in this past state. The "laws of physics" did not apply is this past state.

Though he asserts that this past state/present state boundary was around 4500 years ago this event could have happened at any time. The assertions he makes about Razd's evidence can also be made about his own.The most likely time of this past state/ present state event is 1976. I see no reason, based on Simples logic, to assume that reality existed before my birth. If it did exist, then it was likely a different reality meant only to establish a history for my reality to be based upon. I would prefer this to not be true, but Simple has shown that disproving evidence of the past is actually quite... simple