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crashfrog
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Message 16 of 24 (216000)
06-10-2005 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tal
06-09-2005 8:56 AM


The third rule of war should be that we never forget the sacrifices made by our young men and women, and we always honor them.
How good has the administration been at that? Do we honor our fallen when the GOP gets their panties in a knot about Ted Koppel reading out their names in prime time?
Do we honor our brave men and women when veteran's benefits are cut and stop-loss orders turn volunteers into conscripts? Do we honor our brave men and women when those who come back to speak the truth to power about the situation in Iraq are punished and marginalized?
Does it honor our troops when they get half the armor they could have simply because a bureaucrat forgot to ask? Is the honor of our soldiers magnified when recruiters turn into roving press gangs?
Look, let's honor our troops. They do a job that most of us would not, and couldn't even if we tried. But let's not pretend that honoring our men and women on the field is only possible by honoring the pusillanimous coward that ordered them there, that craven slime that dishonors our armed services with almost every action he takes.
Has anybody else seen the Downing Street memo? My apologies to the Uk members, who have been seeing it for weeks. We're only just starting to hear about it over here. It makes it pretty clear that Bush lied to take us to war. It's grounds for impeachment as far as I can see.

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crashfrog
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Message 18 of 24 (216027)
06-10-2005 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Chiroptera
06-10-2005 8:06 PM


I see where you're going with this.
And yes, a person who dedicates and is willing to sacrifice their own lives to a principle larger than themselves - be it freedom, or democracy, or faith - deserves a certain level of respect.
But what they choose to do with that dedication and sacrifice has something to do with it, too. And while I don't think any of our soldiers are perfect, and many of them far from, I think there's a demonstratable difference between a plain ol' guy doing his best to protect people and an ideologue who has decided that no price in lives is too high if it's God's will.
But, I don't know. You ask a question that isn't easy to answer. Unless you answer with something stupid like "yes, unless they're an evil terrorist."

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crashfrog
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Message 22 of 24 (216039)
06-10-2005 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Tal
06-10-2005 11:04 PM


Oh, so he jogs with every disabled veteran, then? No?
Exactly how many disabled vets does he have to jog with to make up for just the armor?
Seriously, he jogged with some dude. Clearly it was a publicity stunt because there was the White House photographer, taking snapshots. How does that honor our troops?
I'm glad that soldier is doing well, and had an experience he'll always remember, but what does that have to do with the subject?
Stop loss possibilites are apart of the contract when you enlist.
Uh-huh. Do you know what it's called when you can't quit a job when you want?
I still don't know where this came from.
It came from the news, dude.
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.optruth.org/main.cfm?actionId=globalShowStaticContent&screenKey=pressReleases&htmlId=1529
quote:
In a stunning revelation today, a top executive with Armor Holdings, Inc., the sole provider of protective plating for the military's Humvees, admitted his company informed the Pentagon that it could increase production by as much as 22 percent, but has not received the go ahead from the Pentagon to do so.
Most soldiers do not share your view of the Commander in Chief.
Granted. What's the relevance of that, exactly?
Could you respond to my points, please? Any comment on the Marines kidnapping an 18-year-old to coerce him to serve? Do you think that honors our military?

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