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Author Topic:   Childhood Vaccinations – Necessary or Overkill?
Jazzns
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Message 58 of 327 (365130)
11-21-2006 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Buzsaw
11-20-2006 7:36 PM


Re: autism-sorry, long
The only reason to use thimerosal in vaccines was to protect them from contamination when one vial of vaccine was used to inject multiple patients. In the past, not using a preservative in multi-use vaccines caused lots of problems.
Now adays though all vaccines are single-use and are free of any preservatives including thimerosal. This is according to our pediatrician. I confirmed this with the manufacturers of the vaccines we gave our son.
While there may have been some concern over a decade ago about thimerosal in vaccines that is no longer the case and it has become safer to vaccinate your children than not.
After doing the research and looking into the situation at length when it was about my own son, I finally relegated the anti-vaccine campaign to the looney bin where it belongs. Even when thimerosal was in use, there is no epidimiological evidence to tie to to autism more than any other increase in environmental factors.
I know plenty of kids who were vaccinated during the time when thimerosal was used and none of them have any problems. In fact most of my cousins are honor students and doing quite well in school.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 59 of 327 (365133)
11-21-2006 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Buzsaw
11-20-2006 8:00 PM


Vaccines have side effects. What else would you expect?
Vaccines are not medicine remember. What you are doing is training your immune system by introducing weakened or dead versions of the viruses that normally cause the disease. IIRC vaccines can even cause a extremely mild case of the viruses they eventually provide immunity for.
All of that is MUCH better than getting the diseases themselves. Many of those diseases are dangerous and the risk you take when you get the vaccine is far less than the risk you take should you eventually become infected with one of those diseases.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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From: A Better America
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Message 60 of 327 (365137)
11-21-2006 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by nator
11-21-2006 7:27 AM


Re: autism-sorry, long
While I 100% agree with your assessment of Buz's paranioid misinformation, I have to admit I am impressed with some of the positive effects you can get from some of the new-age, essential oil, herby, hippy stuff.
A friend of mine is very into all that stuff. For the things that seem innocent enough to try it is suprisingly 50/50 on the stuff that seems to have some benefit and ones that seems like it would only work on people who need to believe that it does.
All this is very anecdotal of course but I think that SOMETIMES we can be too critical of those kinds of things.
Pepperment oil is awesome as a decongestant.
Lavender oil great on for a number of uses plus the scent really seems to calm down my son.
Unfortunatly, I have also seen my friend suckered into some really obvious cons like magic flourescent lights that cure cancer and diabetes.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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From: A Better America
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Message 81 of 327 (365346)
11-22-2006 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by purpledawn
11-22-2006 7:26 AM


Hep B on birthday.
Such as, why is it necessary to give a newborn baby a Hepatitis B vaccination right out of the womb? Supposedly the only means of contracting the disease for an infant is through it's mother who can be tested for the disease. Is it really necessary for all infants to have the vaccine?
I am a big proponent of vaccination and I DID opt out of the birthday Hep B vaccination for our son. It is completely unnecessary if the Hep B status of the mother is known. As it turns out, my wife both was vaccinated for Hep B and had a negative Hep B test a month before he was born. They give babies another Hep B shot at their two month visit anyway regardless if they had one at the hospital.
I found out the reason for why they administer the Hep B vaccine for newborns. As it turns out, the mortality rate for newborns who contract Hep B from their mothers is so high that in most cases it is stupid NOT to take that precaution especially for mothers with unknown Hep B status. Since we had very good prenatal care, we didn't have to worry about it and in fact the pediatrician at the hospital gave us kudos for our decision saying that the only reason it is there is for a catchall for the worst case situation.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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