Childhood Vaccinations – Necessary or Overkill?

There's another side to your link coin supportive to vaccines. (DV) Pringle: Get Mercury Out of Vaccines -- NOW! - 25k - Domain Names, Web Hosting and Online Marketing Services | Network SolutionsSomeone asked me in PD's other thread about my refusal to allow my children to receive vaccinations at the school program which some said must be implemented on all. This was before the whistle blowers began exposing the mercury problems et al. As is so often the case, had I relied on the FDA and the money driven health care regime so powerfully intrenched in the medical field my children would've been exposed to the harmful effects noted above and who knows how much it could've affected their bodies and minds.I've been into wholistic prevention and care of personal health for a long time. Over the decades naturopathy has advanced in America from alleged quakery to respectability to the point that many physicians are implementing it in their practice. Others have left conventional medicine to devote their whole effort on prevention and wholistic whole body healing including diet, herbs, vitamines, exercise et al with wonderful track records. The best is that the side effects are most always all good. Vaccines: Vaccinations and Mercury in VaccinesThe better alternative which we used to vaccinations with our boys was to keep a healthy immune system built up via the above and see to it that their diet and life habits were so as to prevent disease. When they did begin to have health problems, we knew what to do naturally to nip it in the bud. This essentially eliminated the need for MDs for us. They're fine to patch up injuries (so long as you eat very light if you end up in the hospital.) Hospital food is generally about as bad as it gets nutritionally speaking as I have observed when visiting patients.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Who's going to divy up for the lost lives and side effects which we all pay for in the hospitals, crime incidents and physchology ward treatment due to the mistakes of conventional medicine? Conventional medicine burys their mistakes to the tune of scores of thousands of deaths per year just due to prescription drugs alone.
They pile $$ upon $$ into their coffers all the way from the side effects of the first pill/vaccination to the multiplied effects of the drugs prescribed to fix the earlier defective prescriptions. It's a vicious cycle. LOL!

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

I forgot to mention that way back in the 1940's all the children in the grade school in Wyoming which I attended were given smallpox and diptheria shots. After I got mine I passed out cold just as I returned to the bleachers where we were all seated before being called up. I soon recovered consiousness but was sickish wheasy for most of the day. I was quite a small child. This was not reported to no health officials that I know of and nothing was done since I soon recovered. Since it was not reported, likely many other similar incidents like this were also likely left unreported across the nation.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

OK, I took it by your statement that you were agreeing to NWR, but I see that is not necessarily the case. Thanks.

That is a very relative question, relative to whether they have availed themselves to alternative safer health treatment, relative to how apprised they are on diet adjustments for optimum health, relative to whether they need to keep on drugs already prescribed, relative to how dangerous the prescription drugs used are and a host of other factors.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

That is a very relative question, relative to whether they have availed themselves to alternative safer health treatment, relative to how apprised they are on diet adjustments for optimum health, relative to whether they need to keep on drugs already prescribed, relative to how dangerous the prescription drugs used are and a host of other factors.Antibiotics are a danger to your immune system. They kill off the good bacteria in your gut along with the bad. They have other side effects like candida, yeast growth, This in turn has a chain reaction to cause other problems. Without the good bacteria and enzymes you digestion is impaired which can cause gurd where things back up and all kinds of problems.Alternatively, why not use probiotics. Have you heard how these are doing so much for the enhancement of health via the wholistic route? They are good bacteria you take to overwhelm the bad bacteria which cause disease et al. Echinacea, ascorbic acid, garlic (especially aged garlic), Zinc, magnesium, pleurisy root, cayenne, aloe vera, alfalfa and a host of other food suppliments can do safely what harmful antibiotics do to treat and prevent infections and diseases without the harmful side effects. With these the side effects are all good and most of these are foods which you cannot overdose on.I, my family and a host of other folks apprised on this stuff go year in and year out without the use of any antibiotics or immune shots of any kind. There's a natural remedy for every thinkable disease and ailment, either efficient in prevention or treatment of disease.Perhaps there may be rare occasions when antibiotics would be helpful for a quick fix, but one would want to get back off of them asap after a crisis event and on to the natural remedies.There are a growing number of alternative health care practitioners around the nation. I suggest in the event of illness folks unapprised on these things do some research and find a reputable one to go to for professional advice and treatment.Also there's lots of info on the www. Interested folks can search out these and learn a lot. If you have a given health problem, there's likely a number of sites you can go to for information. Don't just start taking this and that without doing the homework. However with herbs, vitamins and minerals, the chance of serious problems from the nature products is very small.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

My point was that your proposal would not prove anything. Why? Because antibiotics are by far the most popular treatment. They are most used due to the fact that the medical profession is largly money driven. Herbs do not make money for the practitioners nor the pharmaceuticals.A study of comparisons with 7th Day Adventists who tend to go whoistic healthcare and consume natural foods with non-Adventists shows that those who go alternative live longer and healthier, implicating less deaths on a mortality basis. This studies compares the percentage of non Adventists deaths Adventists have. A cohort study found that earlier and longer Seventh-day Adventist church membership was associated with reduced male mortality - PubMed

1. She? Does the same apply to he? I hope so.
2. I understand that the pharmaceutical producers are among the highest contributors of the medical schools so the medical schools are beholden to the drug companies by promoting their products so as to receive the funding. News & insights | CVS Health3. The med schools being funded by the drug companies program the knife, the needle and the pill heavily into the educational cirricula with very little about diet and nutrition. If it makes money, it's promoted in the schools. What doesn't produce revenue rarely get's introduced into the text books, it appears. Many MDs are incorporating naturopaty into their practice, but for the most part I would assume they learned it on their own. I believe some of it is beginning to get into the schools due to public pressure.4. Bottom line: MD's indoctrinated by the money driven medical establishment of which the med schools are a major element via funding.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Buz says: Antibiotics are a danger to your immune system. Post the whole message from which you quotemined the out of context statement and you have a concise argument for the accuracy of the statement. If you disagree, it's up to you to refute the reasons given which you apparantly chose to ignore.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Good point, PD. Not only that but if it's not a money maker few studies get done. When natural remedies work, folks talk and lend advice to friends et al. Occasionally open minded MD's who become amazed at some of the results of patients who resort to some of these remedies become interested and begin to incorporate some of this into their practice.I've come to find that often health food store employes or managers know a lot about what works by the demand for certain effective products and testimonies of customers as to the effectiveness of them. My wife and I occasionally question these store folks when we have a health related question and have consequently discovered some products that we have found to be effective.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Most berbals are not regarded as drugs by anyone, including the FDA. Most are simple foods in their natural composition and properties. A few are regarded as needing care in usage in certain situations. How often do you hear of anyone dying or being seriously affected by herbals? Extremely rare. On the other hand, thousands of folks die and are seriously affected with prescription drugs. Not only that, but before most dangerous ones are removed, many have died or suffered ill effects from them. Edited by Buzsaw, : Edit message title

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

I've taken all of these herbs for many years with absolutely no side effects except good ones. For example, I have a small patch of comphrey in one of my three gardens from which we regularly take leaves and use for such things as tea (very healing to ulcers or inner inflamation of any kind), as poltices for infections et al. Comphrey coats internal sores with a healing film. I know the FDA took comphrey off the market, but so far as I have found there have been no deaths or serious problems with comphrey.Imo, if the FDA were 1/100th as concerned about the dangers of many prescription drugs as they were when they took comphrey off the market, we'd all be a lot safer. LOL! The FDA is in bed with the powerful pharmaceuticals. For flu, fever, pain or whatever, we use herbal food along with other beneficial foods to (1)prevent these ailments in the first place and (2) as remedies for ailments. For example, green salads are nothing but a combination of herbals. This eve on our marinated Italian vegie salad at the supper table was herbals like radish, cilantro (leafy) cucumber, cabbage, summer squash, onion, pepper, carrot et al. We sprinkle alfalfa sprouts sprouted in the kitchen on salads often as well as parsley. These are all herbals, not drugs.Prescription drugs are mandated prescribed for the sole reason that they are not safe to use as are the herbals available in grocery stores and health store. They are powerful concentrated chemicals and compounds often derived from herbal plants or a chemical/plant combination et al. .....And many thousands of cases of people dying because they used these powerful and more dangerous drugs, some of which accumulate in the system to cause big problems down the line. I don't know the percentages. Do you? All I can say is that from my own experience and from numerous testimonials from others who've went the alternative route, it's my friends, relatives and acquantances who are on the prescriptions who are the sick, the infirmed and the overall unhealthy folks compared to the herbal and alternative health folks who are the healthy ones.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

It is so food. Tea is food. Comphrey is in my garden along with the other herbals such as parsley, spinach, et al. I eat parsley and celery also for health along with Comphrey tea. I also mix comphrey in green tea. That one eats/drinks certain foods for health doesn't make these herbal foods drugs. I suppose by your token, that some folks eat take chicken soup when they have a cold makes chicken soup a drug.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

He he.....very funny, Omni! Btw, great to have you back posting! Hopefully we'll see you in PAF as well. You usually are quite rational, regardless of what's in your garden. Anyhow, back to the thread nuts & bolts. Your point is a nice joke but a non-sequitur to the topic. There's a lot of detrimental and poisonous stuff know to be wisely avoided, like poison ivy, some nightshades, varieties of mushrooms, mind debilitating plants known as harmful narcotics, and a host of others known to be unquestionably dangerous, life threatening and/or harmful to society.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

When it comes to simple compounds and sometimes whole granulated herbal suppliments, it is a given that life threatening and serious illness effects are not going to result from reasonable usage any more than a stomach ache from too much garlic in the spaghetti. There is no need for years of research to make a determination. That's why determination has heretofore been made without expensive testing proceedures on most herbal remedies. If any of these wholistic suppliments were needing to warn of possible death on the label, it would never be even considered safe for consumption by the FDA. It's only the powerful pharmaceuticals that get by with ligitimate murder.A bag of jelly beans or double bubble gum has more potential for serious illness than 98% of the herbals.The MDs bury their mistakes.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28