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Author Topic:   Why is Israel getting away with these atrocities?
CanadianSteve
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Message 33 of 301 (329898)
07-08-2006 4:20 PM


The palestinians are carrying out war
Israel is only responding to war. The Palestinians have not merely kidknapped a soldier, they have been relentlessly launching rockets and attempting other terrorist activities.
If Canada launched 1,000 rockets at the US, kidknapped American soldiers, suicide bombed thousands of Americans, etc., I think we can safely assume the US would see acts of war. Indeed, a declaration of war, period.
The fact is this: Those who fail to understand that Israel is a democracy like ourselves, withour system of justice, rights, government, free media and speech, sensibilities and sensitivities, and as such is as desperate for peace as would we be, and as willing to compromise as would we be, see the simple and strikingly naive narrative: The stronger nation must be in the wrong. They fail to understand, are unable to understand, that the palestinian entity is corrupt to its core, run by terrorists, has no free speech, no free media, no system of justice, and is a virtual propaganda state where the minds of people are no less subject to control than citizens of North Korea. Such a state, dedicated as it is to Israel's annihilation, will agress as long as:
* It believes it can successfully wipe Israel off the map 9as its official maps and school texts show)
* It has the the support of the Arab and Muslim world
* It has the support of the UN onside, as the majority of members states are either Islamic or want oil money or need to keep latently terrorist Islamic minorities from recruiting yet more fanatics to their terrorist cause, i.e., more 7/7's.
Moral relativism has gone mad. And the Israel/Palestinian conflcit is, perhaps, its epicentre. Cause and effect critical thinking, no matter how basic, is lost. The left which can barely find the time to express outrage over the genocide of Christians by Muslims in Sudan, the annexation of Tibet by China, the wicked harassment of christians in the Arab world, the relentless suppression of democrats in the Arab world, the thousands upon thousands of innocents rapes and murdered and tortured in Arab nations, obsesses, truly obsesses, over Israel. It's like collective mental illness.
Fortunately, the winds are beginning to change direction. Incredibly, I've actually heard fair newsreporting on the current matter on both the CBC and BBC. It won't last. But it indicates how a western world beginning to understand the madness of the Arab world is beginning to understand Israel's reality in a new context. That context is reality.

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CanadianSteve
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Message 34 of 301 (329900)
07-08-2006 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Buzsaw
07-07-2006 9:07 PM


Exactly: what so many cannot see is this
This war is not about the Palestinians vs Israel. It is about all the arab world and most of the ISlamic world against tiny Israel. As long as the palestinians are armed by these others, incited by these others to maintain war against Israel, they will not seek a two-state solution. Instead, they will try to make their official maps, which show no Israel, a reality rather than fantasy.

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CanadianSteve
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Message 35 of 301 (329905)
07-08-2006 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by anglagard
07-08-2006 4:02 PM


Re: The actual historical situation
Mark Twain and others commented on how barren was the land.
A Tour of the Holy Land 1831-1910
Moreover, many of the Arabs living there were nomadic. When European jews arrived, irrigated, created health and other services, created jobs, then, and only then, did large numbers of arabs move and stay. That is, to avail themselves of the oportunities now provided.
However, this is not to deny that there were many arabs there (but jerusalem was largely ignored by arabs and was majority Jewish). However, to understand the bigger picture one must recognize that there very few Arab nations. instead, there was a huge land mass on which hundreds of millions of arabs lived. After the fall of the ottoman empire, 22 Arab states were created on 99.9% of the land. There was to be one tiny Jewish state. But the british reneged, wanting to keep arabs from siding with the grwoing nazi movement. Following WW ll the jews got an even tinier state than intended, a state created by the UN. The Arabs living there and alongside there were to either stay and join the Jews in building a state (some did, which is why there aer 1 million Arabs in israel), or create their own state. That they declined to to do, choosing to remain either egyptian or jordanian. Only after Israel won those lands in the 67 war did Arabs suddenly claim a desire and right to a state there. Mind you, the Palestinian Liberation Army was created 3 years before that war, in 1964. what was it they wanted to liberate? Yes, then as now, they wanted israeld and and buried.

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CanadianSteve
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Message 38 of 301 (329908)
07-08-2006 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by RAZD
07-08-2006 4:55 PM


Re: The palestinians are carrying out ... resistance?
Those are not a few terrorists; they are the government itself. They are fatah, they are Hamas.
In that Israel still survives, we can say israeli tactics are working. Were it merely the palestinians Israel battles, then there would have been peace long, long ago. But there isn't peace because all the arab and islamic world encourages, ensures in fact, that this war goes on and on. If Israel were willing to fight as would any other nation, that is, all-out war, that would also bring the conflict to a close. But Israel is too sensitive. Israel has many times sent its soldiers to die on the ground to protect innocent palestinians, rather than do what NATO did in Serbia: relentlessly bomb from the air, no matter who dies.

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CanadianSteve
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Message 42 of 301 (329944)
07-08-2006 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by RAZD
07-08-2006 5:14 PM


Re: The palestinians are carrying out ... resistance?
N Ireland was not at war with GB. "Palestine" is at war with israel. The IRA's foreign backers were not nation states, but various individuals only. The IRA did not have the support of the UN, because nearly 1/2 the the UN was Irish and held mostly everyone else ransom with oil money and supply. The Irish did not dispute GB's right to exist (school texts did not show GB as "occupied" Irish territory). The palestinians do not accept Israel's right to exist and see all Israel as occupied Arab land. The majority of Irish wanted peace. The majority of Palestinians only want peace if that means Israel dies.
Better analogy: What brought Nazi Germany down?
We're speaking of war, not terrorism. Those rockets raining down on Israel are sanctioned by the government.

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CanadianSteve
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Message 43 of 301 (329952)
07-08-2006 8:59 PM


A quote from John McCain's brother, Joe
"The irony goes unnoticed -- while we are hammering away to punish those who brought the horrors of last September here, we restrain the Israelis from the same retaliation. Not the same thing, of course -- We are We, They are They. While we mourn and seethe at September 11th, we don't notice that Israel has a September 11th sometimes every day."

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