Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total)
2 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,832 Year: 4,089/9,624 Month: 960/974 Week: 287/286 Day: 8/40 Hour: 0/4


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Why is Israel getting away with these atrocities?
Iblis
Member (Idle past 3923 days)
Posts: 663
Joined: 11-17-2005


Message 260 of 301 (333112)
07-18-2006 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by Wepwawet
07-18-2006 8:51 PM


Re: disproportionate
Here's a nice editorial from the Monitor
Nice but firm countries finish first - CSMonitor.com
The part I found interesting was actually a simulation showing the strategy for political success.
A computer model even illustrated this lesson. Developed by The Santa Fe Institute, it was a digital fish tank. Users could introduce new life forms to observe whether their species thrived or died out among the other life forms. According to tech guru Winn Schwartau, each life form had a complex set of rules governing its behavior. Over time, wrote Schwartau, the life form that consistently dominated abided by the following rules:
"1. My species will always play nice with you. I will never be aggressive to you. We will make every attempt to cooperate and work with you and everyone in our (global) fish tank.
2. If you [mess] with me, I will annihilate you without any warning. Period."
That was written pre-9/11. Like Japan and Germany 60 years prior, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and Saddam Hussein discovered how seriously we take Rule #2.
And as long as we keep abiding by both rules, America, like the fish in the digital fish tank, will stay on top.
Has Israel been nice? Are they now just being firm? Or is it in fact a disproportionate response?
It's pro-America propaganda, so the examples are pretty much USA all-the-way. But that doesn't keep them from being examples.
Giving into bad guys' demands can have disastrous consequences. A famous example is when Great Britain acceded to Hitler's desire to usurp more territory in 1938, thinking that once his immediate demands were satisfied he would no longer be a threat. Britain's leaders were under the erroneous impression that bad guys could be dealt with solely through talks, diplomacy, and appeasement.
The United States can sometimes be too nice, too. In 1994 it signed an agreement with Pyongyang to allow North Korea limited nuclear-power generation in exchange for a freeze on its nuclear weapons program. As it turned out, North Korea did no such thing.
By and large, though, the United States combines niceness with toughness.
America is akin to a rich, successful, and happy person. Such a person is affable and receptive toward everyone he meets. Yet he is vigilant, too. Being rich, he's envied. There are people who don't like him just because of his good fortune or his outsized influence. Some wish to hurt him. For those people, he's firm. He plays hardball right back with them. And he doesn't give in to their demands.
America is willing to be friends with almost any country as long as that country is willing to be friends with America. And if that other country is not willing, America still holds out hope that someday it will change its mind.
During the cold war it was the Soviet Union that was the antagonist, not the US. Because the Soviets were ideologically against the American way of life, no amount of trying to befriend them would have worked. The only thing the US could do was be ever-prepared and ever-vigilant - make sure the Soviets see the weapon at America's side, while always having an olive branch stuck in its back pocket. After the Soviets finally shed their bad attitude, the US happily and readily presented them with that crumpled old olive branch.
A more recent example is Libya. In the wake of Saddam Hussein's ouster, Libya finally has realized that being cooperative with America, not antagonistic, is in its best interests. And the US couldn't be more pleased to welcome it into the community of civilized nations.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 255 by Wepwawet, posted 07-18-2006 8:51 PM Wepwawet has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 261 by SuperNintendo Chalmers, posted 07-18-2006 9:47 PM Iblis has not replied

Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024