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Author Topic:   Why is Israel getting away with these atrocities?
SuperNintendo Chalmers
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Message 259 of 301 (333108)
07-18-2006 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 257 by Wepwawet
07-18-2006 9:05 PM


Re: oh, great
So it all started when he hit me back huh? There is a difference between taking hostages as bargaining chips and holding prisoners accused of criminal activities. One is a crime and the other is a practice that all civilized nations follow.
Israel holds no hostages to the best of my knowledge. It is their stated position that they only have people imprisoned for criminal activities. I'm not saying there's no abuse there mind you, but if Israel were holding hostages like Hezbollah, they would have started lining them up against the wall and shooting them every 15 minutes till the soldiers were returned.
I'm glad to know that having an army makes one right.
Anyone remember how this country started? You know that group of terrorists back in the 1770s? They used to murder soldiers, hold soldiers prisoner, commit vandailsm, etc simply because they didn't like being part of england and thought they should have their own country.
I sometimes wonder if people actually know anything about history anymore

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SuperNintendo Chalmers
Member (Idle past 5852 days)
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From: Bartlett, IL, USA
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Message 261 of 301 (333115)
07-18-2006 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 260 by Iblis
07-18-2006 9:42 PM


Re: disproportionate
Interesting article... which has some merit.
"1. My species will always play nice with you. I will never be aggressive to you. We will make every attempt to cooperate and work with you and everyone in our (global) fish tank.
Unfortunately America does not even come close to following this rule. If you think we do you should have a talk with the inhabitants of central america.
I can't believe people actually think the US behaves like that.

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SuperNintendo Chalmers
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Message 263 of 301 (333120)
07-18-2006 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by Wepwawet
07-18-2006 9:51 PM


Re: oh, great
200 dead is more serious than 2 kidnappings, but is it a misdeed? The Hezbollah border attack, killings and kidnapping were definitely a misdeed, but who are we to tell a sovreign nation that they are not allowed to defend their borders and protect their citizens? The onus falls on Hezbollah this time for initiating the violence and while the Israeli response could become brutally savage in effect, it is still an act of self-defense while their cities are under attack and their soldiers are held captive.
Who? Us? You mean the descendents of the terrorists that overthrew legitimate british sovereignty?
I hope you can see the irony
AbE: What exactly makes a state legitimate anyways? Would it be ok for Native Americans to rebel against the US as illegitimate conquerors? How about the scots againt the english? Was it ok for India to demand independence from england?
Edited by SuperNintendo Chalmers, : No reason given.

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SuperNintendo Chalmers
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Message 268 of 301 (333140)
07-18-2006 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by Wepwawet
07-18-2006 10:32 PM


Re: oh, great
You could have at least made the pretence of responding to my post instead of going off on your American Revolution analogy again. It doesn't hold up and even if it did it makes not a bit of difference.
Lebanon and Israel are not in the same situation. They are both sovreign states that were at peace until a faction of one country launched an unprovoked attack on the other. Was kidnapping the 2 soldiers (not to mention killing three others) a misdeed?
I'm sorry you don't understand the analogy...,.. the fact that you don't think it makes a difference is pretty telling.
Who are the terrorists? Who is legitimate? It really all depends on your point of view.
What makes the americans revolutionaries of the 1770s more legitimate than the palenstinians today? How about the IRA? More or less legitimate than the palestinians?
Do you know anything about the history of how israel became a country?

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SuperNintendo Chalmers
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Posts: 772
From: Bartlett, IL, USA
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Message 297 of 301 (333857)
07-20-2006 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 296 by johnfolton
07-20-2006 10:15 PM


Re: Luke 22:36
Luke 22:36 KJV Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
huh?

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