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Author Topic:   Why is Israel getting away with these atrocities?
Brian
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Message 1 of 301 (329519)
07-07-2006 5:19 AM


Surely now it is time for Bush and Blair to step in and tell Israel that enough is enough.
Israel is getting away with state terrorism against innocent Palestinian civilians. This last week or so the Israeli government has sanctioned actions which have resulted in the deaths of manu innocent Palestine civilians. They are deliberately targetting, amongst other things, civilian ameneties, and they really do not care who they kill in the process.
If this was any other nation Bush and Blair would do something about it, the UN would do something about it, can you imagine the outcry if the UK had bombed Ireland during the troubles?
The latest news is that the Palestine gov is calling for International help to stop the Israeli invasion of their country, so why is Israel getting away with State Terrorism, why is the civilised world sitting back and doing nothing?
Brian.

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Brian
Member (Idle past 4987 days)
Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 126 of 301 (331052)
07-12-2006 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by jar
07-11-2006 3:56 PM


Re: Does Israel have a right to exist?
The real question under all of this is the question of whether Israel has a right to exist as a Nation and whether Palestine likewise has a right to exist as a Nation?
This is certainly the big question.
It is a difficult one, but Israel has been given a land to house her nation of people, so the question is redundant. How she got the land and how she is treating her neighbours are also big questions.
But as for the legal side, why is it legal for Israel to be given her old stomping ground and other displaced nations are not. For example, if it is views as 'right' for Israel to go back to the land of her roots, then why don't the native Americans insist on having their land back?
What is the legal choice?
The legal choice is that Israel has the land and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
What is the moral choice?
The moral choice is for Israel to stop terrorising Palestine and try to keep their end of the peace negotiations. Also, there's a whole list of Israeli PM's who should be charged with war crimes.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 130 of 301 (331151)
07-12-2006 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Chiroptera
07-12-2006 11:51 AM


Re: Does Israel have a right to exist?
Which goes to show how idiot, self-serving policy decisions can have tragic consequences for generations to come.
Indeed. The initiation of Israel has had some far reaching consequences, and it wasn't (and still is) political self-serving decisions that helped them to return. Christians bombarded politicians and newspapers urging them to place Israel back in Her homeland, anything to help prophecy along, freaking idiots.
I would go further and state that most Israelis have lived there all there lives (some for a couple of generations now), and have as much a moral right to a home there as anyone -- but what can I say? As a white North American, I can feel a little sympathy for them.
Yes. They have settled there now, and to be fair, as you say, many were born and raised there and know nothing else.
I think that, like it or not, the ultimate solution is going to have to be two independent states in the area -- not necessarily the most practical, but I believe that the majority of people on both sides prefer such a solution, ultimately.
This is probably the most sensible answer, but the most sensible often gets overtaken by these self serving policies you mention. With Israel being the only democracy in the region, and its ties with America, I can't see there ever being full peace in the area. I'll keep wishing for it though.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 176 of 301 (332275)
07-16-2006 6:23 PM


Israeli animals
Dear God in Heaven, what is Israel doing?
May their God have mercy on their souls, they are slaughtering people without a second thought, they are no better than animals.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 186 of 301 (332441)
07-17-2006 3:15 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by johnfolton
07-16-2006 10:53 PM


Not an RPG
You seem to be mistaking reality with some sort of dungeons and dragons game.
I am sure there must be a forum somewhere for people who enjoy these games.
This is the real world, there is no need to bring your hobby into it.
Brian.

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