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Monk
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Message 31 of 71 (213965)
06-03-2005 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by jar
06-03-2005 12:44 PM


Are you familar with the history of the "School of the Americas"?
Why do you ask?

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jar
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Message 32 of 71 (213967)
06-03-2005 4:51 PM
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06-03-2005 4:39 PM


I asked based on your assertion that
These poor terrorist as you call them, were not trained by US taxpayers to blow up schools killing innocent children then scurry away like vermin.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Monk
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Message 33 of 71 (213983)
06-03-2005 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by joshua221
06-03-2005 3:11 PM


No Utopia
Prophex writes:
One of the adjectives you used to portray Castro in a negative light sort of angered me, you used the word "communist".
And I used the word correctly. That’s because Castro IS a communist.
Prophex writes:
Castro's intentions of saving his beloved country from another country's grasp deems him a hero in my eyes, You unfortunately have probaably been affected by the media's portrayal of the man who quickly saved his homeland.
Yea, right. Saved his homeland? That’s an absurd joke. You have no idea what you are talking about. Cuba is no utopia. You should open your eyes.
Over the past forty years, Cuba has developed a highly effective machinery of repression. The denial of basic civil and political rights is written into Cuban law. In the name of legality, armed security forces, aided by state-controlled mass organizations, silence dissent with heavy prison terms, threats of prosecution, harassment, or exile. Cuba uses these tools to severely restrict the exercise of fundamental human rights of expression, association, and assembly.
The conditions in Cuba's prisons are barbaric and inhuman, and political prisoners suffer additional degrading treatment and torture. In recent years, Cuba has added new repressive laws and continued prosecuting nonviolent dissidents while shrugging off international appeals for reform.
It’s no wonder that Cubans have the highest suicide rate in Latin America. Suicide is an act of desperation and according to the report entitled Suicide in Cuba and Miami, Cubans are dreadfully miserable compared to Cubans living in Miami.
But go ahead and keep apologizing for Castro. You and Carter had something in common.

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Monk
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Message 34 of 71 (213984)
06-03-2005 5:40 PM
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06-03-2005 4:51 PM


What is your point?

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Meeb
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Message 35 of 71 (213987)
06-03-2005 6:10 PM
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06-03-2005 5:38 PM


Re: No Utopia
How much do you know of Cuba before Castro?

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Monk
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Message 36 of 71 (213990)
06-03-2005 6:16 PM
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06-03-2005 6:10 PM


Re: No Utopia
How much do you know of Cuba before Castro?
I know many things about Cuba before Castro

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Monk
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Message 37 of 71 (213992)
06-03-2005 6:21 PM
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06-03-2005 3:11 PM


This tidbit of a mostly not thought out post disturbs me greatly. You seem to have the impression that you are the only human that matters on the planet
I'll say it again, Islamist terrorists ARE to blame for their inexcusable acts of barbarism. Whatever the US has or has not done in no way excuses their actions. If that truth disturbs you then I've made my point.

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berberry
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Message 38 of 71 (213995)
06-03-2005 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Monk
06-03-2005 5:38 PM


Re: No Utopia
I'm rather surprised to find myself agreeing with you about something, Monk. Castro's no hero, but surely you don't think Battista was any hero by comparison. You and prophex are both right and both wrong. Cuba simply went from a right-wing dictatorship to a left-wing dictatorship. There are differences, of course. Under the old regime a person of means might have enjoyed a more comfortable life, but there was a huge underclass of starving citizens. Under the new, everyone has food and health care but little opportunity for a truly comfortable and rewarding life.
An important point that hasn't yet been mentioned is that US policy toward Cuba has never made much sense, and this administration's Cuba policy is downright cruel.

Keep America Safe AND Free!

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jar
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Message 39 of 71 (214010)
06-03-2005 7:28 PM
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06-03-2005 5:40 PM


My point is that no Nation on Earth has worked harder than the US to create, train, organize and direct terrorists. In particular, President Reagan and his Vice-President Bush even broke the Law of the Land and went against the wishes of Congress to support terrorists. Finally, President Regan sealed all the records to protect George Bush before he left office to stop the investigation and likely impeachment process.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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gnojek
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Message 40 of 71 (214025)
06-03-2005 8:09 PM
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06-02-2005 8:13 PM


As far as Islamist terrorists, they ARE to blame for their inexcusable acts of barbarism. Whatever the US has or has not done in no way excuses their actions.
I could say something like:
"As for the US military, they ARE to blame for their inexcusable acts of barbarism. Whatever Islamists have or have not done in no way excuses their actions."
And it would be equally true.

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joshua221 
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Message 41 of 71 (214041)
06-03-2005 9:01 PM
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06-03-2005 8:09 PM


quote:
I could say something like:
"As for the US military, they ARE to blame for their inexcusable acts of barbarism. Whatever Islamists have or have not done in no way excuses their actions."
And it would be equally true.
Exactly, this is what Monk doesn't see, he sees the garbage on TV, and hate stirs within his soul for people he has never met, that's a tradgedy. He ignores the things that have caused who we call "terrorists" to terrorize, for they are far more evil, than 9/11 was.

porteus@gmail.com

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joshua221 
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Message 42 of 71 (214043)
06-03-2005 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Monk
06-03-2005 6:21 PM


quote:
I'll say it again, Islamist terrorists ARE to blame for their inexcusable acts of barbarism. Whatever the US has or has not done in no way excuses their actions. If that truth disturbs you then I've made my point.
If my family, the people I love, my guides, my companions in life were killed for a goal that to me made no sense, based on money, then I would drive a car-bomb into a UN building, I would fly a plane into a densly populated zone of these ignorant unfeeling bots that destroyed my life, that hindered me to the point of suicide. I would commit acts of "TERROR" FOR THIS TERROR IS SURELY JUSTIFIED. But you are enjoying a comfortable life probably, these tortured souls slightly affected your life, indirectly, so to you sir, they are BARBARIANS... That pisses me off

porteus@gmail.com

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joshua221 
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Message 43 of 71 (214046)
06-03-2005 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Monk
06-03-2005 5:38 PM


Re: No Utopia
quote:
And I used the word correctly. That’s because Castro IS a communist.
Why is being a communist a bad thing?
(Had to spell it out, your inability to understand gives me a need to simplify.)
quote:
Yea, right. Saved his homeland? That’s an absurd joke. You have no idea what you are talking about. Cuba is no utopia. You should open your eyes.
Castro saved his country from being a capitalist freak-show. This man is a hero. (this isn't including his mistakes, and bad choices as a dictator but for the pre dictator actions he deserves the title.
quote:
Over the past forty years, Cuba has developed a highly effective machinery of repression. The denial of basic civil and political rights is written into Cuban law. In the name of legality, armed security forces, aided by state-controlled mass organizations, silence dissent with heavy prison terms, threats of prosecution, harassment, or exile. Cuba uses these tools to severely restrict the exercise of fundamental human rights of expression, association, and assembly.
Check the parentheses. At least Castro is Cuban, what if the U.S. assasinated him, or took over before he gained ties with Russia? Things would most likely be just as bad if not worse.

porteus@gmail.com

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Faith 
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Message 44 of 71 (214059)
06-03-2005 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Monk
06-03-2005 6:21 PM


Some flabby encouragement
I dunno Monk, I hope you can keep it up, more power to you, but it looks more and more like a losing battle to me, this whole attempt to educate the Left-brainwashed. All these poor blind people who find America in the wrong for all our efforts to do good in the world (not that we're perfect but that HAS been the overriding motive), people who ask "What's wrong with Communism" (Six eyerollies here if I knew the code for them) who equate our motives with the totalitarian murderous motives of Islamism and Communism, and they don't even know the source of this propaganda they've bought ... I just don't have the stomach for arguing it any more, but I'm sure glad to see some do.
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Woe to those who put good for evil and evil for good. --Isaiah 5:20

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Hrun
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Message 45 of 71 (214072)
06-04-2005 12:15 AM
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06-03-2005 11:08 PM


Re: Some flabby encouragement
Faith, I'm sure that Nazi Germany with their idea about eugenics also had the motive of doing good. Motive does not necessarily excuse the consequences.

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