Hauntings, Exorcisms and the Like

Still is. Why he was five for five on 2004 election/terrorism predictions.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

jarJeez1 Is that bag of bones still walking around? The last I heard about him was in the nineties in a note in the Skeptical inquirer where he had sent a letter to a woman in Victoria B.C. statingthat he was willing to use his vast powers to her advantage. Of course in the opening sentence he told her the standard "I feel that you are such and such" as though he had psychic knowledge of her ,praising her,stroking the ego before laying down the cost involved in his supplying her with his service.Too bad his psychic ability did not extend to realizing she had been dead awile.

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"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color."
--Don Hirschberg

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I might add, btw, concerning my post, that the more one assumes the responsibilities of Christianity, the more one can expect to get of it's blessings, such as protection from the supernatural evil, likely existing all around us to more of an extent than we realize.

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That's funny, Buz.My life is pretty good. Great health, a job I love, a terrific husband, and I live in a great town.I ain't never seen or heard any demons.Seems to me that you, the devout fundie christian, has had more contact with demons than I have.

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Gravity is gravity; it is there if you believe in it or not.

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Ah, but the effects of gravity can be demonstrated to anyone regardless of belief.Can you demonstrate the effects of spirits to anyone regardless of belief?

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I have experienced dreams that were simply the culmination of subconscious thoughts processing a day?s work and I have experienced dreams so demonic that I felt I was in a battle of life and death. I believe some dreams are circumstantial while others can carry deep spiritual roots.

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How do you not know they are not all circumstantial?

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The same book that taught you about the supernatural Holy Spirit is the book that teaches about the reality of supernatural demon posession, ghosts and spirits, is it not?

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Buz, do you believe, as it was widely understood among Christians over the centuries, that mental illness is actually demonic posession?If so, then why do anti-psychotic drugs, which work by altering brain chemistry, seem to work?

First thing. If you read my entire story you will learn that I chose to give up my list of "parlor tricks" many years ago. If you are going to play with fire. Light one that doesn't consume you. I learned through my new age experiences that using such skills acted as a great harm to my spirit and body. Manipulating energy for my selfish desires is dangerous like manipulating matter, you end up with radioactivity. If you desire my accounts to be proven, then I would suggest you speak to an ex-secret-opps trained solder or join the elite American Military. They have been training for years how to see over hills and difficult areas of a battle field using astral projection. I don't have contact phone numbers of course for this, but if the scientists where that serious about "proving" this, they would try to find a way to un-restrict this information and track down some of these people. They do exist. Let them burn themselves up for your own selfish gain.
I have no desire to prove myself to you. I couldn’t care less if you promote what my past was or who I am. I know my past and I need not prove my past to anyone. If you have intelligent questions the feel free to ask.As for science proving the spiritual world in any way:
Ask any blind person what the color blue is and ask any deaf person what 100 MHz sounds like. That is paranormal science this day, we can guess, but we do not really know. Nor can we definitely prove or disprove. Cutting edge science does not light a candle to where it should be in order to understand and measure properly / completely such things. Let’s look at things we should know by now: Medical science says they understand everything about how the heart works even though after decades of research, they still don’t know what causes the first electrical impulse created in the SA node of the heart of a developing fetus — after that original impulse, the SA node then acts as the pacemaker of the heart. Or Please explain and re-create in a scientific experiment how our millions of neurons create a conscious mind. If science can’t even fully explain consciousness, how can they dare think they can prove or disprove spirituality from some menial caveman-like tests? They measure spirituality as effectively as measuring cell anatomy with a light microscope. Yes they have developed some sophisticated theories and devices in this year 2005 but maybe ask the question again in 1000 years and something interesting can be truly be proven or disproven. How can we expect such deficient science to definitively explain the inner workings of the spiritual world? Prove or disprove it? It humors me how much people depend on this modern science to blindly create or explain their own spiritual beliefs. You may disagree with me and cite a whole bunch of tests, put please tell me if they can explain all the inner workings of the spirit? We know it is there somewhere..The spiritual world will start to be proven to you science guys when YOU can fully understand and prove the definitive existence of your spirit. Let alone explain consciousness and supernatural manifestations. Don’t test me on higher functioning until you understand even the most basic of things.
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Let’s go back 200 years. When we (science) could not see / prove an atom or electron, did that mean the electron didn’t exist? Science (we) could not see bacteria and viruses back then, did that mean they didn’t exist? No, that would be naive to say now wouldn’t it? You have better not say the spirit and spiritual world does not exist because of our lack of ability to see / re-produce it then. You go back 200 years and prove the existence of an atom. While science tries at this day to prove or disprove spirituality.Heck! I will even raise the bar: Create one atom if you can. From scratch. Use evolution please. Do it in a lab. Then maybe there will be validity in evolution. I can’t prove a creator any more than you can prove evolution created matter. Where did matter come from? Where did the first atom come from? Answer these questions with your evolution theory, re-create it in a lab, I would like to see it. Create for me one atom and I will believe you.We are wasting time debating on spiritual matters when we can’t even measure the spirit effectively, let alone understand it. The original post asked if there were any non-Christians that experienced new-age type spirituality. That question has been answered through me and my close relationships. Now we are digressing off topic.
Start a new thread if you would like. This one has been answered. I have wasted enough time. Gotta go.

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If you desire my accounts to be proven, then I would suggest you speak to an ex-secret-opps trained solder or join the elite American Military. They have been training for years how to see over hills and difficult areas of a battle field using astral projection.

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Standard "the govt is trying to do it" shadow stuff - proof of nothing.

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I don't have contact phone numbers of course for this, but if the scientists where that serious about "proving" this, they would try to find a way to un-restrict this information and track down some of these people. They do exist. Let them burn themselves up for your own selfish gain.

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No proof here either - just vagueness about govt doing it.

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I have no desire to prove myself to you. I couldn’t care less if you promote what my past was or who I am. I know my past and I need not prove my past to anyone. If you have intelligent questions the feel free to ask.

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Which begs the question - why bother replying? I'm not sure about intelligent questions, you have failed to provide anything resembling intelligent evidence.Next you will be saying the standard line of "the energy is disrupted by the presense of skeptics"I can't be bothered to quote the rest - it's the standard "feel don't think" and "Jam tomorrow".

Where to begin...Special forces troops training in astral projection? Horse hockey. Never happened. If you think that it did, you're either gullible or stupid. Sorry to be so harsh, but that's the way it is and I'm in no mood to be patient or tolerant of foolishness this morning.As for science having anything to say about the spiritual, of course it doesn't. The spiritual is entirely subjective with no bearing at all on the physical world. Science deals with the physical world. Do you understand this very simple thing? Spirituality is a set of beliefs, and the fact that you believe a certain set of them doesn't make them true or oblige anyone else to take them seriuously. I'm frankly having trouble taking anything you say seriously after the psychic soldier thing. These are not basic things, as you use them, these are imaginary things. Consciousness is the functioning of the brain and "supernatural" (as a thing other then natural) manifestations simply don't exist. Everything that exists is natural. Also, in response to another comment, science, real science, is not trying to prove ir disprove spirituality. Real science is aware that it is irrelevant. For one small point, evolution has nothing to do with the creation of matter. Try learning about what you're talking about.You are correct about one thing, time is wasted on spiritualty, at least the way you seem to approach them.This message has been edited by mikehager, 11-27-2004 11:35 AM

Mike - I'm really starting to think we need a sticky or something on the front page that says:EVOLUTION - WHY IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINS OF LIFE (READ THIS).and maybe:WHY A CONCEPT CAN BE BOTH FACT AND THEORY.This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 11-27-2004 11:40 AM

Wouldn't help, as good a suggestion as it is. Those that need it most would ignore it and those capable of benefitting from it most likely don't need it.

Mike I like your point. As for horse hockey. I have a personal friend that is a retired special operations (classified) sniper. He can not divulge much however he has told me much of what he can. You would soil your shorts if you knew what the government knew and did even back in the 70’s. Who are you to say what they do or don’t do. I am sorry, I must say your statement is horse hockey.My point Charles is that Science can't prove crap. Science can't prove the origins of the world. Yes scientists say definitively that there is no God. That statement is based on faith yet often misleadingly trying to be proven by hiding behind the evolution theory. That is not your problem. That is the scientists that bend the truth. Science can't prove God or the lack of it.Science can analyze quite well what it can see but is blind to most of everything. That is why science says it studies the physical and not the spiritual sure. However you take your physical findings (al be it child like) and state that the spiritual does not exist? What gives? Yet you all rely on science to provide all of the answers, when it has no clue. Science once believed the world was flat. Top scientists used to say bathing was bad for you. Science used to say there was nothing smaller than a molecule. They were all naive and using their limited resources to come upon their "SOLID" proof of false things. It was all crap.
Some science is good however. We can prove there are hormones, DNA and the like. Things that have strait physical existence. Don't use science to debate the spiritual world and expect scientistic data to say that a new age spiritualist is incorrect. This reasoning is rampant across the community has to be rather unfounded because of our vastly limited scientific resources to prove such data. Yet many believe it is proven. How ... I can't even find the word.
As always you have missed my main point. Science says there is no spirit, no ESP, or anything spiritual (even though it can't accurately test for these things). I say come back in 1000 years and you can truly see what percentage of things now being peddled and touted is crap as well. Yet so many swallow blindly these stupid assumptions whole heartedly it is sad.
Since there was no existence of germs 200 years ago and headaches must be cured by cracking your head open, must mean by the same rule that spirituality does not exist. As so many people say. Or try to debate spirituality with incomplete scientific proof. It is all a circus show which I do not wish to be a part of.
You can not prove what you have no ability to prove yet you ask me to prove myself by using your limited means? This is ridiculous, that is my point. Somehow you missed it.
Funny how selected reading is rampant in this forum.
Don't ask me to prove ESP through your science any more than I will ask you to prove an atom using a light microscope. And don’t use your light telescope to tell people that the atom does not exist. It is ludicrous yet done every day.By the way, evolution explains the origins of the earth in a nice pretty story; does that prove there is no God? Science / scientists often draw that connection, I don't know how. Then teach it to my children. Sure folks the earth is flat. I will believe you.... I will stop showing too ok?I do not enjoy debating with people who suffer from selective reading disabilities. The main question of this thread has been answered. You all tell me to say on topic. Now you stay on topic. Start a new post if you would like. I don't like debating with the blind and the deaf. Maybe this forum is not for me. Gotta go. No time to talk further. bye.

Since you seem very quick to get a bit nasty, seem to have some reading problems yourself and display a significant degree of arrogance from ignorance I'd say yes, this forum is probably not for you.Enjoy your journey in the demon-haunted dark.

Thank you. Not nasty just frustrated.

By the way. ever since I received my new inheritance from the creator, my life is FAR from demon infested or dark. In fact it is quite bright, blessed, brilliant and fun.