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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Maybe not, but please point out where I said same sex marriage had never happenned in history. Why, not ten posts ago:
quote: I meant to say that throughout human history the cultures that did not accept same sex marriage overwhelmingly outnumber those that did, and that's an understatement. So what? The cultures that accepted slavery overwhelmingly outnumber the ones that didn't, but we recognize that, despite being in the majority, they were wrong. In time, we'll see the cultures that denied the equivalence of same-sex relationships in the same way.
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ohnhai Member (Idle past 5182 days) Posts: 649 From: Melbourne, Australia Joined: |
so it's fingers in the ears, and "la la la I cant hear you" time again is it?
Edited by ohnhai, : No reason given.
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rgb Inactive Member |
crashfrog writes
quote:Exactly. That's why they changed it to indentured servant and eventually got rid of it overall. quote:There's no doubt of that. Just like the fact that we got rid of slavery altogether, why not get rid of the word marriage for this new relationship and give it its own term? As CK suggested, something like garriage would be fine.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Just like the fact that we got rid of slavery altogether, why not get rid of the word marriage for this new relationship and give it its own term? As CK suggested, something like garriage would be fine. Who cares what word we use? As long as the rights are the same. So long as a man's husband or a woman's wife is their legal spouse, that's all I care about. Honestly, though, if you're going to relegate homosexuals to second-class status because you don't like a word choice, you're not a very good person.
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ohnhai Member (Idle past 5182 days) Posts: 649 From: Melbourne, Australia Joined: |
Are you telling me that someone tied them up and made the sex change for them?
Don’t be so perverse. If a doctor told you that you needed a radical surgical procedure or you would die, you do have a choice. To have the procedure or not. But how realistic is it to say you are utterly free in that choice? Havarti may well have been told that if she had kids it was odds on that it would kill her. (My sister was sterilized after her second after she suffered a suspected pulmonary embolism, As was the my friend who almost bleed to death after her fourth) In situations like those you in reality have very little choice in the matter. To trans-genders they can perceive that there is as little choice in their decision as Havarti’s hypothetical “have the operation, or die”
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ohnhai Member (Idle past 5182 days) Posts: 649 From: Melbourne, Australia Joined: |
Again, marriage because of love was an entirely new concept, mostly isolated to modern times. You are right, marriage was traditionally a legal way of establishing ownership of the female, her fathers estates, money, title and prestige. Love had little to do with it (at least for the upper classes, who didn’t give a fig for what the lower classes did). So quite a real way if you are clinging to the history of marriage as a validation of what it means then you are also arguing for the virtual slavery of the female.
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ohnhai Member (Idle past 5182 days) Posts: 649 From: Melbourne, Australia Joined: |
Faith writes: Love and commitment have nothing to do with qualifying for marriage Let see shall we? Taken from the traditional wedding vows
quote: Sure, nothing at all in there about love and life long commitment. Edited by ohnhai, : changed title
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Of course's there's love and commitment. But it isn't the definitive thing. You can have all kinds of love and commitment between people who have no reason to be married.
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rgb Inactive Member |
ohnhai writes
quote:First of all, trans-gender is different than transsexual, and we are talking about transsexuals. Comparing a medical problem to a psychological one is a stretch, don't you think? There is nothing "life and death" about sexual identity crisis.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1364 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
You can have all kinds of love and commitment between people who have no reason to be married. tell me, out of curiosity, what is the reason to be married. not the qualifications, the reason.
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ohnhai Member (Idle past 5182 days) Posts: 649 From: Melbourne, Australia Joined: |
First of all, trans-gender is different than transsexual, and we are talking about transsexuals. And what are transsexuals BEFORE they become Transsexulas.... go on have a guess.
There is nothing "life and death" about sexual identity crisis.
Try telling that to your average Transsexual/gender.
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ohnhai Member (Idle past 5182 days) Posts: 649 From: Melbourne, Australia Joined: |
you are right. traditionaly the defining thing was ownership of the woman.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Comparing a medical problem to a psychological one is a stretch, don't you think? There is nothing "life and death" about sexual identity crisis. There's nothing life or death about osteoporosis, either, but people still have hip replacement surgery. There's a quality of life consideration, here. Being trapped in a body of the wrong sex, or being trapped in a body that can't walk - either way. that's a medical problem to be treated medically. Look, you can argue if you like, but psychological problems are medical problems, which is why the people who treat such problems are doctors.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I made my point and you should acknolwedge it. It's not definitively about love and commitment.
you are right. traditionaly the defining thing was ownership of the woman. Not in every culture. Biblically the man and woman own each other.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Biblically the man and woman own each other. In what sense? What duties are involved?
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