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Author Topic:   Poll; theist, atheist or agnostic
Quetzal
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Message 211 of 295 (340808)
08-17-2006 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Hyroglyphx
08-17-2006 11:35 AM


Re: Atheists, theists, and agnostics, oh my!
Mod poses an interesting question. Where would Taoist or Buddhist "fit"? We had a Buddhist at one point on the forum (briefly IIRC). Neither of these two philosophies contain any theistic elements as we have more or less accepted the term. Pagan, neopagan, Wiccan, etc also pose similar problems - although I haven't seen any of those floating around here. Maybe an "Other" category (although that's probably not really satisfactory either)?

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 212 of 295 (340810)
08-17-2006 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by Modulous
08-17-2006 11:58 AM


Re: I guess
I guess you'd either lump me with the theists for being a pantheist or you'd lump me with the atheists for not believing in either personal gods or even the supernatural. Sorry...
Or as an agnostic if you remain undecided. You let me know and we'll mark you were you want it be.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 213 of 295 (340812)
08-17-2006 12:18 PM


Bump
THEIST
1. Nemesis Juggernaut
2. Faith
3. Mjfloresta
4. Catholic Scientist
5. Percy
6. Iano
7. Arachnophilia
8. Buzsaw
9. Phat
10. Jazzns
11. Trixie
12. Tal
13. GDR
14. Anglagard
15. Purpledawn
AGNOSTIC
1. Creavolution
2. Omnivorous
3. Schrafinator
4. MangyTiger
5. Rail Bird
6. Rick JB
7. Inflixion
8. Tusko
9. Ekman
10. ReverendDG
11. U can call me Cookie
12. Wounded King
13. Fragallrocks
14. Codegate
ATHEIST
1. Robinrohan
2. Ramoss
3. Subbie
4. Annafan
5. Chronos
6. Corpagyps
7. Randy Feagley
8. Crashfrog
9. Mutty6969
10. CK
11. Chiroptera
12. Michael
13. Nighttrain
14. NosyNed
15. Jaderis
16. Parasomnium
17. Quetzal
18. NeuroCycle
19. Mick
20. Minnemouseus
21. Kalimero
22. Sidelined
23. TS
24. Kisimons
NONE OF OUR BUISNESS
1. DrJones
RINGO-- IN A CLASS BY HIMSELF
1. RINGO (there can only be one Ringo to rule them all)

Archer Opteryx
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Message 214 of 295 (340815)
08-17-2006 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by Parasomnium
08-17-2006 8:00 AM


Re: Atheist AND theist?
I wrote that I could 'accurately be listed under Agnostic, Atheist, and Theist simultaneously.'
Parasomnium requests:
You'd have to explain how, because although it's obvious to me how one can be an agnostic and an atheist at the same time, or an agnostic and a theist (one can at the same time believe something without knowing it for certain, or not believe something without being certain it is not so), I fail to see how one can be an atheist and a theist all at once.[/i]
There are many gods. No one believes in all of them. And it's possible to respect almost any image of the sacred while embracing none blindly.
One can easily be an atheist by one criterion and a theist by another.
I don't have a dog--or a god--in this fight. I am answering a question I was asked according to categories I did not choose. One wants to help, but there's no point in being misleading. Paradox seems the best way to go forward. And paradox is allowed.
Science is accomplished through clear categories and either/or reasoning. This is as it should be.
Our present discussion, though, deals with a subject that lies outside the boundaries of science--as scientists often point out. We are now in a realm where truth is neither proven nor disproven. Here one question yields multiple equally valid answers. Here art speaks as compellingly as mathematics and all our categories give way to metaphors. In this place, [i][b]both/and[/i][/b] is as valid a way to proceed as either/or. And it is often more productive.
Once the whole is divided, the parts need names.
There are already enough names.
One must know when to stop.
Knowing when to stop averts trouble.
Lao Tsu
Tao Te Ching

Archer

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 215 of 295 (340821)
08-17-2006 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Hyroglyphx
08-17-2006 11:35 AM


Re: Atheists, theists, and agnostics, oh my!
Thanks. As I said, it's fine by me to sit this one out.

Archer

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 216 of 295 (340822)
08-17-2006 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by Archer Opteryx
08-17-2006 12:24 PM


Re: Atheist AND theist?
Our present discussion, though, deals with a subject that lies outside the boundaries of science--as scientists often point out. We are now in a realm where truth is neither proven nor disproven. Here one question yields multiple equally valid answers. Here art speaks as compellingly as mathematics and all our categories give way to metaphors. In this place, both/and is as valid a way to proceed as either/or. And it is often more productive.
As I sifted through the verbal detritus, I could not see an answer to your paradox. What's your answer, Nietzsche?

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robinrohan
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Message 217 of 295 (340824)
08-17-2006 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by Archer Opteryx
08-17-2006 12:24 PM


Re: Atheist AND theist?
And it's possible to respect almost any image of the sacred while embracing none blindly.
This poll is not about what one respects. It's about what one believes.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 218 of 295 (340825)
08-17-2006 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by Archer Opteryx
08-17-2006 12:36 PM


Re: Atheists, theists, and agnostics, oh my!
Thanks. As I said, it's fine by me to sit this one out.
Not a problem. Others have opted out as well. Its not as if this poll has any real reflection on anything. It was spawned out of curiosity and nothing more.

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Brian
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Message 219 of 295 (340836)
08-17-2006 1:25 PM


Born-Again Atheist
Brian.

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robinrohan
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Message 220 of 295 (340839)
08-17-2006 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Brian
08-17-2006 1:25 PM


Born-Again Atheist
Brian is an atheist theologian and football hooligan on the side.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 221 of 295 (340856)
08-17-2006 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by robinrohan
08-17-2006 12:40 PM


Re: Atheist AND theist?
robinrohan writes (lovin' that alliteration!):
This poll is not about what one respects. It's about what one believes.
Indeed. I tried several verbs in that spot and never really got one that caught it. By 'respect' I meant more than a kind of cosmopolitan politeness. I mean that it is entirely possible to find something true, something honorable, something just, something pure, something wise, something commendable, something excellent or praiseworthy--something to be believed, in other words--in many images of the sacred. When that happens, one does well to believe the truth one finds.
Images of deity--whether visual or literary--are always attempts to represent in material form something that defies material representation.
It's all art, you know.

Archer

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 222 of 295 (340857)
08-17-2006 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by Hyroglyphx
08-17-2006 12:38 PM


Re: Atheist AND theist?
What's your answer, Nietzsche?
Behold, I give you the Superman.
Playing at a theater near you.

Archer

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robinrohan
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Message 223 of 295 (340864)
08-17-2006 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by Archer Opteryx
08-17-2006 2:45 PM


Re: Atheist AND theist?
By 'respect' I meant more than a kind of cosmopolitan politeness.
I really like the way you express yourself, even if sounds sometimes rather ambiguous to me. But it's very well-written.
It's all art, you know.
Now that sounds atheistic.
Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.

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Brian
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Message 224 of 295 (340871)
08-17-2006 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by robinrohan
08-17-2006 1:33 PM


Born Again
Can't be a hooligan when you have been born-again
Brian.

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nator
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Posts: 12961
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Message 225 of 295 (340878)
08-17-2006 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by sidelined
08-17-2006 10:06 AM


Re: All hail Ringo
quote:
As for us atheists our partners say enough for the both of us that we can remain silent.
Who can utter anything sensical at such a moment, anyway?

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