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Michael
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Message 256 of 295 (341707)
08-20-2006 8:19 AM
Reply to: Message 254 by ringo
08-20-2006 3:24 AM


parading atheists
Setting up arbitrary categories is just asking people which float they want to ride on.

Nah. With regard to atheists, it's more like all those guys riding around on the mini-bikes in the parade-–identifiable as a group but each going their own way.

So grab a bike ... don't forget your fez.

Ringo writes:

I am God.

Okay, we might not have a fez in your size.


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ohnhai
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Message 257 of 295 (341715)
08-20-2006 9:53 AM


Atheist (capital A)
  
Hyroglyphx
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Message 258 of 295 (341722)
08-20-2006 11:00 AM


Additions
THEIST
1. Nemesis Juggernaut
2. Faith
3. Mjfloresta
4. Catholic Scientist
5. Percy
6. Iano
7. Arachnophilia
8. Buzsaw
9. Phat
10. Jazzns
11. Trixie
12. Tal
13. GDR
14. Anglagard
15. Purpledawn
16. MitchellMckain
17. Obvious Child

AGNOSTIC
1. Creavolution
2. Omnivorous
3. Schrafinator
4. MangyTiger
5. Rail Bird
6. Rick JB
7. Inflixion
8. Tusko
9. Ekman
10. ReverendDG
11. U can call me Cookie
12. Wounded King
13. Fragallrocks
14. Codegate

ATHEIST
1. Robinrohan
2. Ramoss
3. Subbie
4. Annafan
5. Chronos
6. Corpagyps
7. Randy Feagley
8. Crashfrog
9. Mutty6969
10. CK
11. Chiroptera
12. Michael
13. Nighttrain
14. NosyNed
15. Jaderis
16. Parasomnium
17. Quetzal
18. NeuroCycle
19. Mick
20. Minnemouseus
21. Kalimero
22. Sidelined
23. TS
24. Kisimons
25. Beatle Addict
26. Ohnhai
27. TechnoCore

NONE OF OUR BUISNESS
1. DrJones

RINGO-- IN A CLASS BY HIMSELF
1. RINGO (there can only be one Ringo to rule them all)

Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : No reason given.


  
Hyroglyphx
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Message 259 of 295 (341724)
08-20-2006 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 254 by ringo
08-20-2006 3:24 AM


Re: More updates
Although I appreciate nemesis_juggernaut finally showing a sense of humour about something

What are you talking about? :eek:...........................:D


“It is in vain, O' man, that you seek within yourselves the cure for all your miseries. All your insight has led you to the knowledge that it is not in yourselves that you will discover the true and the good.” -Blaise Pascal
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 260 of 295 (341725)
08-20-2006 11:20 AM
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08-20-2006 7:38 AM


Re: More updates
I don't think they really have a label for me. I've never been good a fitting into niches.

Hmmmmm? Painful childhood memories manifesting themselves in adulthood by an aversion to conformity in order to feel the superiority they lacked in childhood. How close was I? I'm just messin' with you. :p.......... Or am I? :eek:

Notice I labeled myself a Deist, since I reject the rituals of organized religion, and got put under the Theists.

A Deist is a form of Theist. The poll stems from an argument between another member and I about whether or not there are more atheists than theists. It was just sort of a fun, inquisitive poll. If I broke everyone's beliefs down into their smallest sudivision, we'd be all over the place. I mean, I've noticed that I can't two Deists to come to an agreement on the notion of God. And maybe 'organized religion' seems far removed from your personal beliefs, as pantheism seems far removed from mine, but we are still Theists. Please don't be offended. It was not my intention.


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Message 261 of 295 (341735)
08-20-2006 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hyroglyphx
08-11-2006 2:09 PM


Re: Theist, Atheist, or Agnostic
I'm an atheist :)
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ringo
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Message 262 of 295 (341736)
08-20-2006 12:47 PM
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08-20-2006 7:38 AM


Re: More updates
purpledawn writes:

I do think one needs to stay consistant within a thread, but in a new thread a person could choose to take the opposite stance.

I think it's even acceptable to take a "sliding" position within a thread, if something you learn does change your position - as long as you acknowledge the change.

quote:
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do.

Ralph Waldo Emerson


Of course, you're always welcome to come over to Ring-side. ;)


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Message 263 of 295 (341863)
08-21-2006 7:40 AM
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08-20-2006 11:20 AM


Re: More updates
nemisis_juggernaut writes:

A Deist is a form of Theist.

Im not so sure!

the•ism n : belief in the existence of a god or gods —

athe•ist n : one who denies the existence of God —

de•ism n, often cap : a system of thought advocating natural religion based on human morality and reason rather than divine revelation —

ag•nos•ticadj [Gk agnÖstos unknown, unknowable, fr. a- un- + gnÖstos known] : of or relating to the belief that the existence of any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable —


My idea of a theist is defined as someone who believes in God (or gods, I suppose :rolleyes: ) to the extent that they believe that God imagined/created us before we as a species imagined/conceptualized Him (or her).

My idea of an atheist is someone who simply doesnt consider the idea of God (or gods, Easter Bunnies, I.P.U.'s or Santa Claus) on a level worthy of belief. Atheists don't so much deny God as ignore or reject the idea as archaic.

My idea of an agnostic is someone who has never met or felt or realized the existance of God yet who remains open to the idea---in that IF God is knowable, the ball is surely in Gods court! ;)

The definition of a deist, however, strikes me as concluding that God is an accepted concept within the parameters of human wisdom and that God is not mysterious or supernatural. The fact that Deists by definition base the origin of the concept of God within the human mind gives me cause to label them outside of strict theistic belief, which would see God (gods) as independant of human thought, reasoning, or definition.


“There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, "All right, then, have it your way” --C.S.Lewis

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robinrohan
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Message 264 of 295 (341875)
08-21-2006 8:25 AM
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08-21-2006 7:40 AM


Re: More updates
The definition of a deist, however, strikes me as concluding that God is an accepted concept within the parameters of human wisdom and that God is not mysterious or supernatural. The fact that Deists by definition base the origin of the concept of God within the human mind gives me cause to label them outside of strict theistic belief, which would see God (gods) as independant of human thought, reasoning, or definition.

The god of the Deists is real. He's just not personal.


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ringo
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Message 265 of 295 (341949)
08-21-2006 1:12 PM
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08-21-2006 7:40 AM


Re: More updates
Phat writes:

My idea of an agnostic is someone who has never met or felt or realized the existance of God yet who remains open to the idea....

How would you categorize somebody who has felt the same things that theists feel (to the extent that one human can "know" what another human feels) but doesn't ascribe those feelings to an external entity?


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mitchellmckain
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Message 266 of 295 (341954)
08-21-2006 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by Phat
08-21-2006 7:40 AM


Re: More updates
I don't know where you got your definitions from but that definition is at least incomplete or misleadin and at worst down right incorrect.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/deist writes:


de·ism (dzm, d-)
n.
The belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation.

Wikipedia writes:


Historical and modern deism (from Latin: deus) is defined by the view that reason and logic, rather than revelation or tradition, should be the basis of belief in God. Deists reject both organized and revealed religion and maintain that reason is the essential element in all knowledge. For a "rational basis for religion" they refer to the cosmological argument (first cause argument), the teleological argument (argument from design), and other aspects of what was called natural religion. Deism has also come to be identified with the classical belief that God created but does not intervene in the world, though this is not a necessary component of deism.

http://www.answers.com/topic/deism writes:


de·ism
n.
The belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation.

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861603447/deism.html writes:


de·ism

noun

Definition:

rational belief in God: a belief in God based on reason rather than revelation and involving the view that God has set the universe in motion but does not interfere with how it runs. Deism was especially influential in the 17th and 18th centuries.


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Message 267 of 295 (341961)
08-21-2006 1:35 PM
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08-21-2006 1:12 PM


Re: More updates
Ring writes:


How would you categorize somebody who has felt the same things that theists feel (to the extent that one human can "know" what another human feels) but doesn't ascribe those feelings to an external entity?


An atheist playing games.

To think that you are feeling the same things that theists feel but that these are not due to an external entity is a denial of the experience of the theist. Such a person is essentially atheist, for even if he declares that existence of God is merely unknowable, he repudiates the idea that any experience of God could have any basis in fact.


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Message 268 of 295 (341965)
08-21-2006 1:43 PM
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08-21-2006 1:12 PM


In a class by himself
Ringo writes:

How would you categorize somebody who has felt the same things that theists feel (to the extent that one human can "know" what another human feels) but doesn't ascribe those feelings to an external entity?

I hesitate to be the one doing the categorizing. :D
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Message 269 of 295 (341977)
08-21-2006 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by mitchellmckain
08-21-2006 1:35 PM


Re: More updates
mitchellmckain writes:

An atheist playing games.

Ding ding ding ding! You win the prize!

That's the first time I've actually been called an "atheist" at EvC. :D

To think that you are feeling the same things that theists feel but that these are not due to an external entity is a denial of the experience of the theist.

Nonsense. It is the theist who is denying my experience.

I grew up in an utterly theist environment and I am telling you that I have the same feelings as every theist I have ever met.
I am just saying that I'm not convinced that those feelings were injected into me.

... he repudiates the idea that any experience of God could have any basis in fact.

Pay attention: I am saying that the "experience" does have a basis in fact - but there is a possible disconnect between that fact and "God".


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Message 270 of 295 (341995)
08-21-2006 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hyroglyphx
08-11-2006 2:09 PM


Re: Theist, Atheist, or Agnostic
dang, I just saw this thread.

anyway, with regard to the Christian God I'm an atheist.

with regard to any other gods I'm an agnostic.

glad I could add to the confusion :)


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