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Buzsaw
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Message 10 of 63 (475014)
07-12-2008 10:19 PM


Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
Recorded human history bears out what is natural and good for the conduct between humans, be it between two men, two women or between man and woman in private and in public. For the most part, sexually related intimate activity appears naturally to be for privacy in civilized human cultures.
Beasts and birds which possess inferior intelligence appear to have no inhibitions in this regard.
Imo, humans, creatures of higher intelligence than the animal and bird kingdoms, were designed with these inhibitions. This is evidence for the Genesis record, which after the fall of man, also states that God required clothing the human body.
The more cultures deviate from what is natural, the more calloused citizens of the culture become to what is good and natural for the good of the culture. Thus the more deviate, primitive, uncivilized and animal-like the culture becomes.
The cannibalistic pagans of uncivilized cultures who practiced human sacrifices etc are examples of what deviancy from what is good, natural and imo, Biblical eventually leads to.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 20 of 63 (475076)
07-13-2008 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by subbie
07-12-2008 10:24 PM


Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
subbie writes:
Yes, well, I guess I'm proof against that. I have no inhibitions whatsoever about sharing my intimacy with others, or sharing that of others with them.
1. The fact that you and billions of other humans have felt uncomfortable observing activity deviant to what's been the norm in civilized cultures over the millenia is evidence that you do indeed have an inherent inhibition to this deviant activity.
2. Would you consider something odd and abnormal observing a plumber attempting to couple up two male or two female parts to a plumbing system when the parts are physically designed to couple up male to female?
subbie writes:
Please do try to at least make an attempt at addressing the topic before posting to this thread again. Kay?
I don't understand what part of my message did not pertain to your OP. If you have a problem with my response I suggest you take it up in the problematic message forum, as this is not the place for debate on that.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 26 of 63 (475084)
07-13-2008 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Dr Adequate
07-13-2008 7:47 AM


Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
DA writes:
If that's meant to apply to kissing in public (sheesh) it appears that it is Americans who are the odd ones out.
I'm a 73 yr old American who has observed public activity of Americans over the decades. I've observed a time when it would be either dangerous or illegal to engage publically in intimate homosexual activity in most communities across this nation.
As I said before a culture becomes more calloused and receptive to deviancy, the more it happens and is allowed in public. This I've also observed in the US over the decades, all of which is a modern day phenomena pretty much world wide except in areas of Islamic totalitarian regimes and concentrations of fundamental Christianity, etc.
DA writes:
There's plenty of kissing in the Bible.
That's a strawman and I think you know it, DA. None of it was homosexually inspired. In most cultures it was simply a form of greeting, having nothing to do with erotic sexual passion.
DA writes:
Ooh, let's talk about the Bible and human sacrifice!
My only purpose in touching on this was to show how deviant activity leads away from what is good, normal, civilized and proper for intelligent beings. Nowhere does the Bible advocate human sacrifice by humans, just as it does not advocate homosexual activity. Intelligent humans have a natural tendency to feel uncomfortable with any kind of activity which is deviant to the norm by and large over the millenia in civilized cultures.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 27 of 63 (475085)
07-13-2008 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by lyx2no
07-13-2008 10:25 AM


Re: You Say Tomatoes
lyx2no writes:
as I do of seeing a man eating a tomato as if it were an apple. Do I then get to assume that eating tomatoes as if they were apples is an inherent inhibition (code for "God induced") against a deviant activity?
I don't think this thread is about insanity or loss of mental capacity, which would be the case with your poor analogy in response to my point.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 33 of 63 (475121)
07-13-2008 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Taz
07-13-2008 10:45 AM


Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
War is not a sacrament of religion. No more responses by me on this since this is not the topic perse.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 34 of 63 (475122)
07-13-2008 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Straggler
07-13-2008 11:30 AM


Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
Straggler, as I've reiterated, what is deviant and what is normal pertains to what nearly all civilized cultures have considered deviant and/or normal relative to this topic throughout recorded human history.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 35 of 63 (475123)
07-13-2008 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Dr Adequate
07-13-2008 10:51 AM


Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
DA writes:
Straggler writes:
Would you feel comfortable watching explicit public scenes of "non deviant" sexual practices? Would a married man and woman going at it hammer and tong in the middle of a busy shopping centre be any more acceptable to you?
A great question which I should also like Buzsaw to answer.
DA, I addressed that in my messatge 10 as follows:
Recorded human history bears out what is natural and good for the conduct between humans, be it between two men, two women or between man and woman in private and in public. For the most part, sexually related intimate activity appears naturally to be for privacy in civilized human cultures.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 41 of 63 (475187)
07-13-2008 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Dr Adequate
07-13-2008 6:05 PM


Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
DA writes:
Most "civilized human cultures" are fine with people kissing in public.
Why do I need to keep repeating what I said when you quoted exactly what I said? I said Recorded human history bears out....... and sexually related intimate activity. I'm not talking about what is acceptable today when I say in civilized cultures intimate kissing, fondling etc in public has not been the norm. That's not saying it has not occurred. I'm saying it has not been acceptable behavior by most civilized cultures. I've lived all over the US for 7 decades and I've observed people from many cultures on TV since TV was first invented. It's a modern phenomena that it is becoming more acceptable, especially among younger citizens. It's a deviation from what has been considered proper in most cultures.
OTOH, kissing in public as a greeting denoting no sexual intimacy has been widely acceptable throughout human history.
I suggest that any who think I'm full of it prove me wrong.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 42 of 63 (475188)
07-13-2008 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Straggler
07-13-2008 1:32 PM


Re: Natural Inhibitions For Civilized Cultures.
StragglerFor someone with such definite views and supposedly well founded conclusions as to what is 'normal' and what is not you seem very reluctant to actually define or describe what is normal and the basis of this 'normality'.
See my response to DA. I've said it more than once. What has been considered normal is greeting kisses and I might add, and greeting hugs, not sexually intimate.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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