Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
7 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,815 Year: 3,072/9,624 Month: 917/1,588 Week: 100/223 Day: 11/17 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Evolutionary superiority
pelican
Member (Idle past 4985 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 7 of 302 (451937)
01-29-2008 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by RAZD
01-29-2008 8:13 AM


Re: ironic aint it
ironic aint it
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I find your air of superiority and condescension concerning people classified by one single (vaguely descriptive) word to be insulting.
What was the word again, Razd? I must have missed it.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 5 by RAZD, posted 01-29-2008 8:13 AM RAZD has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 13 by RAZD, posted 01-29-2008 1:12 PM pelican has replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 4985 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 8 of 302 (451938)
01-29-2008 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hill Billy
01-28-2008 11:41 PM


In another thread Nator stated
The only thing any of us have to go on here is what we read, you know.
Hi Hill billy, glutton for punishment rh? still they are only words. The quote above : isn't that what the creationists say? I thought Nator was an evolutionist?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by Hill Billy, posted 01-28-2008 11:41 PM Hill Billy has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 17 by Hill Billy, posted 01-29-2008 2:51 PM pelican has replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 4985 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 51 of 302 (452299)
01-30-2008 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Hill Billy
01-29-2008 2:51 PM


jumping to conclusions
Hill billy, glutton for punishment rh?
I'm not sure what you are gettin at. A few of us here are laughing our asses off.
Ah Hill Billy, you don't appreciate my sense of humour. Sorry, to have misled you. I wasn't serious. I've followed a lot of your posts and I have never had such a good laugh. I've even come to support you a couple of times. Thankyou for that.
Now we are friends can you answer my bloody question? ha ha ha
Hi Hill billy, glutton for punishment rh? still they are only words. The quote above : isn't that what the creationists say? I thought Nator was an evolutionist?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 17 by Hill Billy, posted 01-29-2008 2:51 PM Hill Billy has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 83 by Hill Billy, posted 01-31-2008 2:28 AM pelican has replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 4985 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 54 of 302 (452383)
01-30-2008 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by nator
01-29-2008 10:19 PM


It just makes me right.
Don't you mean self-righteous? If you were just 'right' you wouldn't feel the need to sprout about it so much.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 46 by nator, posted 01-29-2008 10:19 PM nator has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 55 by nator, posted 01-30-2008 9:00 AM pelican has replied
 Message 57 by Larni, posted 01-30-2008 9:49 AM pelican has not replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 4985 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 67 of 302 (452559)
01-30-2008 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by nator
01-30-2008 9:00 AM


How would you feel if you had participated on this board for many years, even back when it was just a little Yahoo Club, and Creationist arguments and their willfully ignorant debate tactics against scientific fact hadn't changed at all in all those years?
Have you tried to change in all those years? I may not have been on this forum as long as you have, nator, but it's just the same in the outside world.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 55 by nator, posted 01-30-2008 9:00 AM nator has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 71 by nator, posted 01-30-2008 7:49 PM pelican has replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 4985 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 72 of 302 (452647)
01-30-2008 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by nator
01-30-2008 7:49 PM


seeing self
Creationist arguments and their "willfully ignorant" debate tactics
I really meant a change in your judgement of others. You feel sure about this and I am sure on occasions it may be true but not for everyone.
It is a fairly subtle change, and anyone could see it for themselves if they cared to dig back through a sampling of my old posts.
In my humble opinion, what is not subtle and has not changed is your putting labels on top of other labels and disregarding the human being underneath. Please do not substitute anyone's opinion for that of your own. You obviously know yourself better than me, for sure.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 71 by nator, posted 01-30-2008 7:49 PM nator has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 87 by nator, posted 01-31-2008 7:38 AM pelican has not replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 4985 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 127 of 302 (453557)
02-03-2008 2:06 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Hill Billy
01-31-2008 2:28 AM


Re: Hey, that's not bad!
1. How did evolutionists come to the conclusion that they are more valuable people?
I am really going to take you serious for the moment but the hilarity arising from this topic makes this difficult. Bare with me. I can't help it, it's the little devil in me.
Seriously, taking it as true that : evolutionists believe themselves more valuable and taking it that the value is placed on levels of education, in turn showing levels of intelligence, then I would say the answer is : because they don't actually feel valuable as human beings alone. They need a label that lifts them high enough to look down on someone else to make them feel better about themselves.
Why do you think it is?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 83 by Hill Billy, posted 01-31-2008 2:28 AM Hill Billy has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 128 by Hill Billy, posted 02-03-2008 9:42 AM pelican has not replied
 Message 153 by bluegenes, posted 02-04-2008 9:38 AM pelican has replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 4985 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 137 of 302 (453731)
02-03-2008 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Hill Billy
02-03-2008 8:46 PM


Re: Two days for Hill Billy unless...
hill billy writes:
In fact, to have any hope of making this determination one must first assume that their conclusions may be false. Only then can those conclusions be compared with alternatives.
Is this not the basis of science? In fact, is this not science itself?
Is not scientific thinking in fact,the assumption that all conclusions may be false?
Well you took the words right out of my mouth. I just couldn't think of it. ha ha Mind if I borrow it? regards

This message is a reply to:
 Message 135 by Hill Billy, posted 02-03-2008 8:46 PM Hill Billy has not replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 4985 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 141 of 302 (453749)
02-03-2008 11:04 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Trixie
02-03-2008 10:37 PM


Re: No garbage here.
I suggest you look at the E=mc2 thread. Have a look at the posts which go between Heinrik and Modulus. Now, can you tell whether Modulus is to be trusted or not?
If someone claims to be a molecular biologist and then demonstrates an astounding lack of knowledge of the subject it's not a good idea to trust their judgment on molecular matters. Neither is it a good idea to use people's qualifications to judge them, since some might have only just scraped a pass, however the number of people with the specific qualifiation AND who are crap is very small.
Hi again, did I hear my name?
I will try to explain how these threads actually complement each other.
Hill Billy is trying to point out that lack of knowledge does not equal less value. He/she is experiencing the other end of a superior attitude.
I also am experiencing being on the other end of the stick in the "e=mc^2 thread. A self acknowledged uneducated (in this field) willing to learn regular Joe. Have a look at the superior attitude. Honestly, Trixie, you were talking to me as if my goldfish had just died. It reminded me of maggie thatcher, no offense intended. Bloody oranges? Ha ha ha
I'm sorry, but how am I supposed to take you seriously?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 140 by Trixie, posted 02-03-2008 10:37 PM Trixie has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 142 by Taz, posted 02-03-2008 11:14 PM pelican has replied
 Message 143 by Trixie, posted 02-04-2008 12:14 AM pelican has replied
 Message 154 by Larni, posted 02-04-2008 10:20 AM pelican has replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 4985 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 144 of 302 (453779)
02-04-2008 4:32 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by Taz
02-03-2008 11:14 PM


Re: No garbage here.
There's no superior attitude there. You asked a question. Someone answered it. You asked it again. Someone answered it again. Apparently, this went on 31 times and you still don't understand the real implications and value of that equation. What you see in that thread is frustration coming from our end, not feelings of superiority.
well, there you go. Another misconception I hold as true. I really believed there was a superior attitude and that was the whole purpose of introducing a topic in which I knew I was out of my depth.
Can you prove to me that there isn't a superior attitude? I am struggling to get my head around this misconception you are trying to bring to my awareness. I really have evidence to the contrary but I'm more than willing to be proved wrong. If you can I will give you a big surprise. How's that for a deal? regards

This message is a reply to:
 Message 142 by Taz, posted 02-03-2008 11:14 PM Taz has not replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 4985 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 145 of 302 (453782)
02-04-2008 4:54 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by Trixie
02-04-2008 12:14 AM


Re: No garbage here.
My superior attitude? Nope, just knowing what would work for me in your situation (more equivalent than superior I would have thought, but what do i know).You obviously feel my attempts to help were of such a low value that you feel free to laugh. Instead I just feel insulted.
Trixie, MY intelligence was insulted. I chose to laugh at it.
Never once have I thought you were using a superior attitude. How come you think that?
I believed you were very intelligent and articulate and kind. I was not laughing At you. I was laughing at your example. C'mon, trixie. At this point in the thread, I thought you would have given me more credit than that. It was light hearted and amusing.
I'm not going to get into a flame war with you, you're not really worth the effort. Suffice to say that I'll be staying far away from you from now on which I believe will be no great loss in your opinion and a f*%king great big gain in mine.
based on your opinion, I was wondering why you nominated me for post of the month?
I'm sure you have needed this platform to vent your feelings. Good on ya! The real Trixie has found her inner voice
I'm glad to be of service. regards

This message is a reply to:
 Message 143 by Trixie, posted 02-04-2008 12:14 AM Trixie has not replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 4985 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 146 of 302 (453784)
02-04-2008 5:44 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by Trixie
02-04-2008 12:14 AM


Re: No garbage here.
Hill Billy is trying to point out that lack of knowledge does not equal less value. He/she is experiencing the other end of a superior attitude.
I also am experiencing being on the other end of the stick in the "e=mc^2 thread. A self acknowledged uneducated (in this field) willing to learn regular Joe. Have a look at the superior attitude. Honestly, Trixie, you were talking to me as if my goldfish had just died. It reminded me of maggie thatcher, no offense intended. Bloody oranges? Ha ha ha
I'm sorry, but how am I supposed to take you seriously?
After further investigation I see the error of misunderstanding here.
THE superior attitude I referred to was not yours peronally. They were separate issues meant to be spaced by a new paragraph. I aplogise for my grammatical error.
I genuinely meant 'no offense intended', but you took offense anyway.
Do you not think others were laughing at me with believing I needed an explanation that an 8yr old would understand? Do you have any idea what sort of predudice and false perceptions concerning my 'intelligence' come from this type of unintentional condescention?
I do not for one second believe that was your intention was to belittle me, but every action has a reaction. Scientists know this very well. In layman's terms in the real world it means there are consequences to your actions of which you are responsible.
These consequences are rarely considered on this forum. Rarely does anyone admit to a mistake or apologise sincerely. Every issue becomes a bone of contention and the dog fights continues.
I did not come here to fight. I was drawn into it so I stood my ground. It was not appreciated in many circles and the blood hounds were out. My blood was drawn at times and I felt incredibly hurt, so I had to retreat and tend my wounds. (Maybe you can relate to how you felt with my oranges comment?)
I have retaliated to a few with an equally ignorant, hurtful comment when I could have ripped their heads off, I was so angry. (Maybe this also you can relate to with my oranges comment?)
Welcome to my world, Trixie.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 143 by Trixie, posted 02-04-2008 12:14 AM Trixie has not replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 4985 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 156 of 302 (453912)
02-04-2008 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by bluegenes
02-04-2008 9:38 AM


Why don't they just become Christian creationists, then?
It doesn't give enough credence to their brilliant minds. But like you say, it would be a lot easier.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 153 by bluegenes, posted 02-04-2008 9:38 AM bluegenes has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 166 by bluegenes, posted 02-05-2008 4:24 AM pelican has replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 4985 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 157 of 302 (453914)
02-04-2008 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Larni
02-04-2008 10:20 AM


Re: No garbage here.
You know, Larni, I had a much bigger misconception of you. I've followed many of your posts since I 'ran' into you and Dameeva scrappin. You and I had a tussle then too.
My perception of you was that you were an immature, feisty young woman. Your name also suggests female to me. Can you believe that? You could have knocked me over with a feather when I read you in "what do you do' thread. You are a growd up bloke, aren't you?
I needn't have told you this and you would not be any the wiser. The reason I am pointing this out is that 'many similar instances of perceptions of me' are as way out as mine was of you.
Can you be honest and give me your perception of me? I'll bet you are way out. For example............
guns blazing
Chuckle chuckle. Look at your photo. I wonder where you got that idea. Ironic, isn't it? No offense intended

This message is a reply to:
 Message 154 by Larni, posted 02-04-2008 10:20 AM Larni has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 158 by Larni, posted 02-04-2008 7:33 PM pelican has replied
 Message 180 by Larni, posted 02-09-2008 5:15 AM pelican has replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 4985 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 159 of 302 (453934)
02-04-2008 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Larni
02-04-2008 7:33 PM


Re: No garbage here.
What makes you perceive me as female?
Have you any perceptions about my character? E.G like this.........
The superior attitude was yours, sir.
Edited by Heinrik, : example

This message is a reply to:
 Message 158 by Larni, posted 02-04-2008 7:33 PM Larni has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 165 by Larni, posted 02-05-2008 2:56 AM pelican has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024