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Yaro
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Message 1 of 164 (157226)
11-08-2004 10:19 AM


A good thread dosn't deserve to die at three hundred...
Kerry on...
{Adminnemooseus note: Part 1 concludes here.}
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Verzem
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Message 2 of 164 (157332)
11-08-2004 2:41 PM


I note with curiousity that a major offensive on Fallujah has gotten under way. The curious part is the timing of it. This could have just as easily been carried out two or three weeks ago. Why now? Could it be that bush thought that if we see more body bags coming home, he might not be elected to a second term?
I don't ever want to hear it said again that Clinton always had to take the pulse of the people before making any decisions.
Verzem

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coffee_addict
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Message 3 of 164 (157335)
11-08-2004 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Verzem
11-08-2004 2:41 PM


Well, I don't think we should pick on Bush because of this simply because Kerry and every other politician would have done the same thing. Let us not forget that both Edwards and Kerry dodged the vote on the ban gay marriage amendment. It's politics.

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Brad
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Message 4 of 164 (157337)
11-08-2004 3:01 PM


A friend of mine in the air force got shipped to Qatar this week, the most heavily defended base in the area. Their defense: a ten foot tall chain-link fence. He asked his CO if the terrorists were allowed to shoot through the fence, of if there was some kind of treaty that prevented them from doing so. The CO didn't find it funny, so he told her "whatever, but if it has a towel on it's head, it's fair game!" He was trying to get out of going, trying to walk that fine line of too crazy to go over-seas, but not too crazy to get kicked out. What a character. If he comes home in a body bag, I will seriously flip out.
Brad

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Message 5 of 164 (157340)
11-08-2004 3:09 PM


Concession speech from 3rd party candidate (humor)
{Got this via e-mail from a friend - Moose}
humour from Adam Felber on NPR's "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me" ...
November 03, 2004
Concession Speech
[Former candidate Felber, flanked by his family and supporters, steps up to the podium in the bright autumn sunlight. Cheers and applause are heard.]
My fellow Americans, the people of this nation have spoken,
And spoken with a clear voice. So I am here to offer my concession. [Boos, groans, rending of garments]
I concede that I overestimated the intelligence of the American people. Though the people disagree with the President on almost every issue, you saw fit to vote for him. I never saw that coming. That's really special. And I mean "special" in the sense that we use it to describe those kids who ride the short school bus and find ways to injure themselves while eating pudding with rubber spoons. That kind of special.
I concede that I misjudged the power of hate. That's pretty powerful stuff, and I didn't see it. So let me take a moment to congratulate the President's strategists: Putting the gay marriage amendments on the ballot in various swing states like Ohio... well, that was just genius. Genius. It got people, a certain kind of people, to the polls. The unprecedented number of folks who showed up and cited "moral values" as their biggest issue, those people changed history. The folks who consider same sex marriage a more important issue than war, or terrorism, or the economy... Who'd have thought the election would belong to them? Well, Karl Rove did. Gotta give it up to him for that. [Boos.] Now, now. Credit where it's due.
I concede that I put too much faith in America's youth. With 8 out of 10 of you opposing the President, with your friends and classmates dying daily in a war you disapprove of, with your future being mortgaged to pay for rich old peoples' tax breaks, you somehow managed to sit on your asses and watch the Cartoon Network while aging homophobic hillbillies carried the day. You voted with the exact same anemic percentage that you did in 2000. You suck. Seriously, y'do. [Cheers, applause] Thank you. Thank you very much.
There are some who would say that I sound bitter, that now is the time for healing, to bring the nation together. Let me tell you a little story. Last night, I watched the returns come in with some friends here in Los Angeles. As the night progressed, people began to talk half-seriously about secession, a red state / blue state split. The reasoning was this: We in blue states produce the vast majority of the wealth in this country and pay the most taxes, and you in the red states receive the majority of the money from those taxes while complaining about 'em. We in the blue states are the only ones who've been attacked by foreign terrorists, yet you in the red states are gung ho to fight a war in our name. We in the blue states produce the entertainment that you consume so greedily each day, while you in the red states show open disdain for us and our values. Blue state civilians are the actual victims and targets of the war on terror, while red state civilians are the ones standing behind us and yelling "Oh, yeah!? Bring it on!"
More than 40% of you Bush voters still believe that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11. I'm impressed by that, truly I am. Your sons and daughters who might die in this war know it's not true, the people in the urban centers where al Qaeda wants to attack know it's not true, but those of you who are at practically no risk believe this easy lie because you can. As part of my concession speech, let me say that I really envy that luxury. I concede that.
Healing? We, the people at risk from terrorists, the people who subsidize you, the people who speak in glowing and respectful terms about the heartland of America while that heartland insults and excoriates us... we wanted some healing. We spoke loud and clear. And you refused to give it to us, largely because of your high moral values. You knew better: America doesn't need its allies, doesn't need to share the burden, doesn't need to unite the world, doesn't need to provide for its future. Hell no. Not when it's got a human shield of pointy-headed, atheistic, unconfrontational breadwinners who are willing to pay the bills and play nice in the vain hope of winning a vote that we can never have. Because we're "morally inferior," I suppose, we are supposed to respect your values while you insult ours. And the big joke here is that for 20 years, we've done just that.
It's not a "ha-ha" funny joke, I realize, but it's a joke all the same.
Being an independent candidate gives me one luxury - as well as conceding the election today, I am also announcing my candidacy for President in 2008. [Wild applause, screams, chants of "Fel-ber! Fel-ber!] Thank you.
And I make this pledge to you today: THIS time, next time, there will be no pandering. This time I will run with all the open and joking contempt for my opponents that our President demonstrated towards the cradle of liberty, the Ivy League intellectuals, the "media elite," and the "white-wine sippers." This time I will not pretend that the simple folk of America know just as much as the people who devote their lives to serving and studying the nation and the world. They don't.
So that's why I'm asking for your vote in 2008, America. I'm talking to you, you ignorant, slack-jawed yokels, you bible-thumping, inbred drones, you redneck, racist, chest-thumping, perennially duped grade- school grads. Vote for me, because I know better, and I truly believe that I can help your smug, sorry asses. Vote Felber in '08! Thank you, and may God, if he does in fact exist, bless each and every one of you.
[Tumultuous cheers, applause, and foot-stomping. PULL BACK to reveal the rest of the stage, the row of cameras, hundreds of unoccupied chairs, and the empty field beyond.]

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RAZD
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Message 6 of 164 (157350)
11-08-2004 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Verzem
11-08-2004 2:41 PM


yes -- operation Falluja Fury:
CNN.com - Battle for Falluja under way - Nov 8, 2004
they (via the "interim" Iraq gov't) have also declare state of emergency for 60 days in the rest of Iraq due to rise in violent attacks.
what's next? (did I feel a draft?)

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}

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RAZD
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Message 7 of 164 (157355)
11-08-2004 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Brad
11-08-2004 3:01 PM


" ... you can get anything you wan't at Alice's Restaurant ..."

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}

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RAZD
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Message 8 of 164 (157356)
11-08-2004 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Brad
11-08-2004 3:01 PM


" ... you can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant ..."

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}

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nator
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Message 9 of 164 (157357)
11-08-2004 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Verzem
11-08-2004 2:41 PM


quote:
Could it be that bush thought that if we see more body bags coming home, he might not be elected to a second term?
We aren't allowed to see the body bags as it is.
From the Washington Post:
Curtains Ordered for Media Coverage of Returning Coffins
By Dana Milbank
Tuesday, October 21, 2003; Page A23
Since the end of the Vietnam War, presidents have worried that their military actions would lose support once the public glimpsed the remains of U.S. soldiers arriving at air bases in flag-draped caskets.
To this problem, the Bush administration has found a simple solution: It has ended the public dissemination of such images by banning news coverage and photography of dead soldiers' homecomings on all military bases.

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JESUS freak
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Message 10 of 164 (157670)
11-09-2004 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Minnemooseus
11-08-2004 3:09 PM


Re: Concession speech from 3rd party candidate (humor)
Not true that they had ties to Al Quadia? What do you call Iraqi ministers pledging alegiance to Al Quadia?

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JESUS freak
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Message 11 of 164 (157671)
11-09-2004 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Verzem
11-08-2004 2:41 PM


No Clinton was not the only one
First off, President Bush didn't wait for the election to be over to attack, he was waiting for the peaceful soloution to fail. I recently heard someone who had been in the Iraqi city tell us about it. He and his copanions were robbed of everything on the highway, including all the gas the man could suck out of the tank. The company of people now had just 3 trucks with almost no gas in each to get to the closest city, which happened to be Fallahugah. In the city, they coasted to a stop in the closest gas station and told their story and asked for some free gas. The residents, and we are talking about 500 people who were involved in this now, not only gave them free gas, but gave them food and a place to sleep for the night as well because they were so mad that someone would do this. The missionarys of JESUS ended up getting to see the ruler of the city and talking with him about JESUS. So you see, the city is not so bad, we are just after the people hiding in it.
And you are right clinton was not the only one to destroy our military, all you democrats before him that were president did it too along with kerry if he had been elected. We wouldn't be over streched now though, if it wasn't for clinton and his budget cuts.

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nator
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Message 12 of 164 (157674)
11-09-2004 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by JESUS freak
11-09-2004 2:24 PM


Re: Concession speech from 3rd party candidate (humor)
quote:
Not true that they had ties to Al Quadia? What do you call Iraqi ministers pledging alegiance to Al Quadia?
When did they do this?
Please include a reference to a reliable source, please.

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nator
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Message 13 of 164 (157677)
11-09-2004 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by JESUS freak
11-09-2004 2:26 PM


Re: No Clinton was not the only one
quote:
We wouldn't be over streched now though, if it wasn't for clinton and his budget cuts.
Tell me, JF, which recent president has increased spending astronomically while also cutting taxes, resulting in an enormous budget deficit?
Now tell me which recent president has balanced the budget?

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coffee_addict
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Message 14 of 164 (157734)
11-09-2004 5:58 PM


Here is a question for you guys.
Iran is just right there for this ⟨sarcasm⟩godly administration⟨/sarcasm⟩ to take. We do not have enough troops as it is. Just how real is the draft?

Hate world.
Revenge soon!

  
pink sasquatch
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Message 15 of 164 (157736)
11-09-2004 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by JESUS freak
11-09-2004 2:26 PM


Re: No Clinton was not the only one
First off, President Bush didn't wait for the election to be over to attack, he was waiting for the peaceful soloution to fail.
Actually, JF, the Bush administration stated several months ago that they were planning a new offensive for mid-November. The Bush adminstration made the statement, not their detractors.

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