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Author Topic:   Cali Supreme Court ruling on legality of same-sex marriage ban
VirtuousGuile
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Message 269 of 448 (468357)
05-29-2008 4:09 AM


Thoughts
A marriage traditionally is a union of a man and woman. This union is suppose to be one of the highest commitment - though better or worse until death do us part.
I'm really offended that gay people have not respecting the rights of the general community who this commitment applies. The majority of the community is not gay. If the general community decides that a marriage is a life commitment between a man and a woman whats it to gays. Why don't they don't create a name for their union.
Please bigots don't be too offense against me because I didn't take their side. Please provide reasons if you are to disagree or make yourself a bigot. Being a minority does not justify disrespect.

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VirtuousGuile
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Message 272 of 448 (468380)
05-29-2008 7:22 AM
Reply to: Message 270 by FliesOnly
05-29-2008 7:03 AM


Re: Thoughts
The reason that I was so forthright was because I think that the debate on homosexuality is unbalanced at present. Also I get tried of being an evil homophobic if I don't support the perspective favourable to homosexuality.
A marriage as I believe the conception of the general majority is a life long commitment between a man and a woman.
In N.Z. the legal rights are provided to those who enter a civil union which is also available to homosexuals.

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VirtuousGuile
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Message 279 of 448 (468415)
05-29-2008 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 277 by Rrhain
05-29-2008 8:39 AM


Re: Thoughts
...except it's not the same. A civil union in New Zealand is not equivalent to marriage.
Yes legally it is the same. Culturally no it is not.
So rights are only for the popular?
They only get support if someone thinks they're popular.
Not that helpful if the only things that are "rights" are things that nobody would think of denying in the first place. The point of a "right" is to defend those things that are unpopular. It's that whole "tyranny of the majority" thing.
It is not an established right. So debate over its status is clearly on the agenda.
It is not clear to me that the case for nature versus nurture has yet been made. As a right it only has a basis as nature. It is very clear that to disagree with homosexuality is a taboo but that is not a reason to recognize it as right.
So on the assumption that it is nurtured (as nature would be). It it harder to say that black man is not a man. With homosexuality the issue is not whether you are human or not. Even if you are man or a woman. If it is nurture based than you cannot appeal to to this argument.
So sir by your own words I have a reason for my position thus I am not a bigot but the slur bigot is common if one does not agree with the homosexual position.

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