Yet another example of the hidden costs of Bush's Stupid War

Because it is Bush's Stupid War.And the $430,000,000,000.00 would be available if it were not for Bush's Stupid War.It really is that simple.AbE:And here is why debt is irrelevant.The cost of debt depends on what it was used for. If the nation goes into debt to build highway systems, that is not a problem. We received value for the debt.Bush's Stupid War is different because we received no value for the resources wasted.Edited by jar, : add info on why debt is not a problemEdited by jar, : fix subtitle

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Bush was elected, and the war was approved. You can't prove that either.
There is an enemy, who wants to do harm to us.
You cannot show whether that enemy would have been more successful at attacking America with or without the war.And you still haven't shown us how the 430,000,000,000.00 is preventing us from updating our system.BECAUSE WE ARE UPDATING THE SYSTEM, ACCORDING TO THE ARTICLE YOU RPOVIDED

And the kettle in your world is what color?Childish.

More of the tactics of the Christian Cult of Ignorance.Iraq was NOT connected to the 9-11 Terrorists. No one has been able to produce reasons to invade Iraq that stand up to examination and the reasons that the Administration put forward have been shown to be false.We received NO value for the $430,000,000,000.00 plus.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I'm pretty sure "childish" isn't a color.

Technically, we are modernizing our military hardware in the process of undergoing the stupid war.Even though we are currently wasting a lot of hardware and armament, we are using up the older stocks and replacing them with up to date equipment. In that context, we are receiving some value for the 430 billion. It is important to have an up to date Army with the latest technology.

Sorry but it is possible to modernize the military without going to war. Following your line of thought to its logical conclusion says that we should start a few wars just to test out the equipment. Unfortunately, that does seem to be the pattern evident. A good example would be the Elder Bush Administration tacitly giving Saddam the go ahead to invade Kuwait and then bringing in our military to test out all the new gadgets while we drive him out.The questions should be "Do you receive value for debt incurred?" and "Is the value of what you received equal to or greater than the cost?"

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Ahh, sequence error.I can fix that. That's better.Thanks for the correction, Frog.

Pleasure as always.

It has been widely indicated that the US and it's allies (including the UK unfortunately) are more likely to suffer terrorist attacks as a result of the war in Iraq than they would otherwise have been.This is of course essentially unprovable but it is difficult for anyone to claim now that the war has made the world a more secure and safe place which was, officially at least, it's aim.So the war may well have actually cost a lot and made the problem it set out to rectify worse.If that is not bad debt I am not sure wht is?Add in that forgotten factor - The cost of innocent life on both sides - and I cannot see how anyone can now justify any of it.

WTF? does Christianity or the "CCoI" have anything to do with having an enemy who will not show his face, and never reason with us? Who hides in terror cells throughout the world, and comes out to fight us in Iraq. You will have to prove that one jar.
And that also has nothing to do with your original statement. None of this does. Youare just avoiding it, because you are wrong.

I agree with that, but as you stated, we cannot prove that.
I also cannot prove that if we did nothing at all, that it would have went away. According to our enemy, they will never stop unless we stop defending Israel. According to the Muslim extremest way of thinking, we will always be their enemy, and they will always attack us, in the name of Alla!This also has nothing to do with the topic. jar claims that the debt from the current, recent, war is preventing us from upgrading our national weather forecast system, and then provides a link that tells us, that we will be getting a new one. so clearly he is wrong.If he wants to prove that the war is stupid, and that it is "Bush's war" and not all of ours, then he will have to take a different route.The way I see it, we let the war happen, so we are all guilty. If we were so dead set against the war, then we would start fighting among ourselves, (physically) until the war stopped. But apparently the our priorities are set. All we do is complain.

Not only that, but we sell our old outdated weapons to our enemies.