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Omnivorous
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Message 16 of 50 (417694)
08-23-2007 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by macaroniandcheese
08-23-2007 8:56 PM


I'm still bewildered in the wilderness, stunned that Democrats gave GWB more surveillance powers.
It was this kind of lack of choice that had me canvasing door to door for the Peace and Freedom Party back in 1968.
But I'd vote for hillary or barak over any Republican candidate.
Nader was a watershed for me in terms of political pragmatism: he claimed Repub v. Demo was Tweedle-Dum v. Tweedle-Dee. But in fact no Democrat would have done the damage that GWB has done.

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jar
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Message 17 of 50 (417695)
08-23-2007 9:01 PM
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08-23-2007 8:44 PM


Well, I think a lot of it is that the current state is ultra-conservative. I would be interested to see where Ike or Rockefeller or Nixon or Goldwater or Ford would score.

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Omnivorous
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Message 18 of 50 (417696)
08-23-2007 9:03 PM
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08-23-2007 9:01 PM


I think they would all score solidly liberal by today's measure.

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Taz
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Message 19 of 50 (417751)
08-24-2007 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Omnivorous
08-23-2007 9:01 PM


Omni writes:
I'm still bewildered in the wilderness, stunned that Democrats gave GWB more surveillance powers.
This week on Larry King, Bill Maher said that the democrats hated the surveillance thing so much that they legalized it.

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tudwell
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Message 20 of 50 (417769)
08-24-2007 12:20 PM


quote:
Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.79
I didn't get some questions...like, "When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things." What the hell?? What does that have to do with politics?
And I'm incredibly uninformed about the upcoming election. I'll finally be able to vote, so I should probably get to figuring out who to vote for.

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Message 21 of 50 (417782)
08-24-2007 3:19 PM
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08-23-2007 6:59 PM


Plot individual candidate / individual positions
I think it would be interesting to see plots of responses to each individual question for each candidate. That would show the spectrum of positions depending on the issue.
Some candidates may be, say, very conservative in one way while being very liberal in another way. Their "dots" may scatter all over the plot. Other candidates "dots" may really cluster close together.
I would tend to be very wary of the "cluster close together" candidates. They would be such as the "flaming liberal" or the "reactionary conservative".
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Omnivorous
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Message 22 of 50 (417791)
08-24-2007 4:10 PM
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08-24-2007 12:25 AM


Taz writes:
This week on Larry King, Bill Maher said that the democrats hated the surveillance thing so much that they legalized it.
That makes as much sense as anything else.
Democrats voting for the surveillance legislation reminds me of the old recurring SNL skit, where they would show a politician or other public figure saying something bone-headed and ask, "What Were You Thinking?"--which was the name of the fictional show featured in the skit.
Now Democrat legislators are saying they were "rushed into" passing the bill without time to read or consider it closely. What the hell kind of excuse is that?
I've e-mailed my Rep and Senator to voice my dismay--I recommend frequent contact with those folks. They may not listen to one voice, but they will listen to thousands.

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Message 23 of 50 (417796)
08-24-2007 4:49 PM
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08-23-2007 6:59 PM


You are even further than I am.
Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.95

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Asgara
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Message 24 of 50 (417800)
08-24-2007 5:17 PM


Right about where I always end up
Economic Left/Right: -6.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72

  
Taz
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Message 25 of 50 (417803)
08-24-2007 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Omnivorous
08-24-2007 4:10 PM


Omni writes:
I've e-mailed my Rep and Senator to voice my dismay--I recommend frequent contact with those folks. They may not listen to one voice, but they will listen to thousands.
To be honest, I've given up a while ago. We know for a fact that most people just don't pay enough close attention to details like this for them NOT to vote again for these reps. I admit that I watch a lot of news and that I have my radios on almost 24/7 tuned to news stations. Of course I don't expect other people to do the same. What really dismays me, however, is when I talk to someone else about something they've been talking about on the news for the last 2 weeks and the person has no idea what the hell I'm talking about.
Take the tsunami in the south pacific that killed tens and tens of thousands of people. You know what I'm talking about. I remember about a week and a half after the news first came out I mentioned it to a group of people in a church I was at and they all just gave me a blank stare.

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Coragyps
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Message 26 of 50 (417804)
08-24-2007 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Omnivorous
08-23-2007 9:01 PM


that had me canvasing door to door for the Peace and Freedom Party back in 1968.
Heh. Wallace was on the ballot, so Arkansas just omitted a write-in slot for Mr Cleaver. That made me angry. Very angry.
And my car probably had the only P&F Party sticker in all of northwest Arkansas that year.

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Message 27 of 50 (417808)
08-24-2007 6:37 PM


Left Opposite Of Right
The alleged left wingers are the folks opposite the alleged right wingers in the political arena.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Message 28 of 50 (417810)
08-24-2007 6:44 PM



  
anastasia
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Message 29 of 50 (417862)
08-24-2007 11:32 PM


I got a -3.38
and a -2.10.
What the heck does that mean? All the rest of you seem to have 6's or 8's. Help!

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Omnivorous
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Message 30 of 50 (417997)
08-25-2007 8:05 PM
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08-24-2007 5:43 PM


that had me canvasing door to door for the Peace and Freedom Party back in 1968.
Heh. Wallace was on the ballot, so Arkansas just omitted a write-in slot for Mr Cleaver. That made me angry. Very angry.
And my car probably had the only P&F Party sticker in all of northwest Arkansas that year.
We used to set up Peace and Freedom Party displays outside factory gates. Let me tell you, these were hard-time, paid-dues appearances!
Finally, we came up with a great idea: we dressed one of us in baseball catcher's gear, and put up a sign: HIT THE HIPPIE! and provided buckets of bean bags. The guys coming out of the factory gates would spend 10-15 minutes pelting the hippie, and then we could talk. Getting past the rage of a life unjustly limited is half the battle.
Later in life (though not much later), I spent two years working in a Chevrolet truck factory. For 8 to 16 hours a day (lots of overtime), I carried pick-up side panels and beds through the production line: even the Army didn't put as much muscle on my frame. I had a T-shirt that said, "If you can't kick my ass, ask about my politics."
Lost a few teeth. Talked a lot.
The working class is always a ripe audience for progressive politics. Problem is, nobody really talks to them: around them, over their heads, beneath their notice, past them--but not to them. If a Democrat rediscovers how to tap into working class rage, it will transform our nation.
There is a deep well of radical perspective in working class America, but the Republicans have walled it off with homophobia, racism, and religious intolerance.

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