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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
I'm still bewildered in the wilderness, stunned that Democrats gave GWB more surveillance powers.
It was this kind of lack of choice that had me canvasing door to door for the Peace and Freedom Party back in 1968. But I'd vote for hillary or barak over any Republican candidate. Nader was a watershed for me in terms of political pragmatism: he claimed Repub v. Demo was Tweedle-Dum v. Tweedle-Dee. But in fact no Democrat would have done the damage that GWB has done. Real things always push back. -William James Save lives! Click here!Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC! ---------------------------------------
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, I think a lot of it is that the current state is ultra-conservative. I would be interested to see where Ike or Rockefeller or Nixon or Goldwater or Ford would score.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
I think they would all score solidly liberal by today's measure.
Real things always push back. -William James Save lives! Click here!Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC! ---------------------------------------
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Omni writes:
This week on Larry King, Bill Maher said that the democrats hated the surveillance thing so much that they legalized it. I'm still bewildered in the wilderness, stunned that Democrats gave GWB more surveillance powers. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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tudwell Member (Idle past 5978 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: |
quote: I didn't get some questions...like, "When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things." What the hell?? What does that have to do with politics? And I'm incredibly uninformed about the upcoming election. I'll finally be able to vote, so I should probably get to figuring out who to vote for.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I think it would be interesting to see plots of responses to each individual question for each candidate. That would show the spectrum of positions depending on the issue.
Some candidates may be, say, very conservative in one way while being very liberal in another way. Their "dots" may scatter all over the plot. Other candidates "dots" may really cluster close together. I would tend to be very wary of the "cluster close together" candidates. They would be such as the "flaming liberal" or the "reactionary conservative". Moose Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "Nixon was a professional politician, and I despised everything he stood for ” but if he were running for president this year against the evil Bush-Cheney gang, I would happily vote for him." - Hunter S. Thompson "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
Taz writes: This week on Larry King, Bill Maher said that the democrats hated the surveillance thing so much that they legalized it. That makes as much sense as anything else. Democrats voting for the surveillance legislation reminds me of the old recurring SNL skit, where they would show a politician or other public figure saying something bone-headed and ask, "What Were You Thinking?"--which was the name of the fictional show featured in the skit. Now Democrat legislators are saying they were "rushed into" passing the bill without time to read or consider it closely. What the hell kind of excuse is that? I've e-mailed my Rep and Senator to voice my dismay--I recommend frequent contact with those folks. They may not listen to one voice, but they will listen to thousands. Real things always push back. -William James Save lives! Click here!Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC! ---------------------------------------
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
You are even further than I am.
Economic Left/Right: -6.38Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.95
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2302 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
Right about where I always end up
Economic Left/Right: -6.13Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72 |
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Omni writes:
To be honest, I've given up a while ago. We know for a fact that most people just don't pay enough close attention to details like this for them NOT to vote again for these reps. I admit that I watch a lot of news and that I have my radios on almost 24/7 tuned to news stations. Of course I don't expect other people to do the same. What really dismays me, however, is when I talk to someone else about something they've been talking about on the news for the last 2 weeks and the person has no idea what the hell I'm talking about. I've e-mailed my Rep and Senator to voice my dismay--I recommend frequent contact with those folks. They may not listen to one voice, but they will listen to thousands. Take the tsunami in the south pacific that killed tens and tens of thousands of people. You know what I'm talking about. I remember about a week and a half after the news first came out I mentioned it to a group of people in a church I was at and they all just gave me a blank stare. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 734 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
that had me canvasing door to door for the Peace and Freedom Party back in 1968. Heh. Wallace was on the ballot, so Arkansas just omitted a write-in slot for Mr Cleaver. That made me angry. Very angry. And my car probably had the only P&F Party sticker in all of northwest Arkansas that year.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
The alleged left wingers are the folks opposite the alleged right wingers in the political arena.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5953 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
I got a -3.38
and a -2.10. What the heck does that mean? All the rest of you seem to have 6's or 8's. Help!
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
that had me canvasing door to door for the Peace and Freedom Party back in 1968. Heh. Wallace was on the ballot, so Arkansas just omitted a write-in slot for Mr Cleaver. That made me angry. Very angry. And my car probably had the only P&F Party sticker in all of northwest Arkansas that year. We used to set up Peace and Freedom Party displays outside factory gates. Let me tell you, these were hard-time, paid-dues appearances! Finally, we came up with a great idea: we dressed one of us in baseball catcher's gear, and put up a sign: HIT THE HIPPIE! and provided buckets of bean bags. The guys coming out of the factory gates would spend 10-15 minutes pelting the hippie, and then we could talk. Getting past the rage of a life unjustly limited is half the battle. Later in life (though not much later), I spent two years working in a Chevrolet truck factory. For 8 to 16 hours a day (lots of overtime), I carried pick-up side panels and beds through the production line: even the Army didn't put as much muscle on my frame. I had a T-shirt that said, "If you can't kick my ass, ask about my politics." Lost a few teeth. Talked a lot. The working class is always a ripe audience for progressive politics. Problem is, nobody really talks to them: around them, over their heads, beneath their notice, past them--but not to them. If a Democrat rediscovers how to tap into working class rage, it will transform our nation. There is a deep well of radical perspective in working class America, but the Republicans have walled it off with homophobia, racism, and religious intolerance. Real things always push back. -William James Save lives! Click here!Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC! ---------------------------------------
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