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Blue Jay
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Message 81 of 95 (466766)
05-17-2008 12:33 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by IamJoseph
05-16-2008 10:57 AM


Speaking Out
Is anyone keeping a running total of all the people IamJoseph has denigrated? Democrats, Muslims, Europeans... everybody but O'Reilly and Dubya, I think. Oh, and me. I'm a white, American, Mormon evolutionist with a wife and a baby, I have a B.S. in biology, I study bugs (Ph.D in entomology starts next month), and I'm (usually) politically neutral, if that helps you come up with something, IaJ: maybe you could call me a fence-sitter--that's usually a good tactic. Or you could say my religion is of the devil and is an affront to all that is good about Christianity. Or, you could say my baby is ugly and poops too loudly.
I don't usually like to go on the offensive like this, but I wanted to chance to expose the sort of thing that's going on. You've been on the offensive since your first post here. When people speak against your point, your tactic is to attack them by pointing out something they did wrong, and not address the point that was brought up. This sort of belligerence draws everybody in to attack you, and, the more people come in, the more insults you have to dish out, and the more likely more bystanders are going to get offended and want a piece of the action, and soon, it's you against the world.
It shouldn't be any surprise to you that Bill O'Reilly is getting attacked by everybody on this forum, because he uses that same, belligerent tactic on his show. Even if he has a good point (I have occasionally thought so), he is completely tactless about telling it, and can't resist adding things like "and it's all your fault" at the end of his statements, and people hate him for it. People like Rrhain and Granny Magda would not be speaking so venomously about him if he were a well-mannered and civil human being.

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Message 83 of 95 (466769)
05-17-2008 12:40 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Larni
05-16-2008 8:47 AM


So, I was going to pretend I'm not a Trekkie (I stopped watching once I learned about real science), but I changed my mind.
Larni writes:
That would be Lawxana.
Actually, I'm pretty sure the "w" comes before the "a": "Lwaxana."
{This "Star Trek" side discussion has gone on too long - Adminnemooseus}
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic banner and comment.

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Blue Jay
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Message 85 of 95 (466772)
05-17-2008 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by IamJoseph
05-17-2008 12:35 AM


Re: A moron?
IamJoseph writes:
Spellcheck time?...democrasy...
I hate to tell you this, IaJ (No I don't: who am I kidding?), but, Larni's right: it's spelled "democracy" in both the US and the UK.
IamJoseph writes:
But you never responded to the factor of reciprocity...
Given that you're Christian, I'm surprised that you missed the part where Jesus told us to do away with the flippin' "eye-for-an-eye, tooth-for-a-tooth" thing.
Anyway, in regards to immigration: the UK doesn't really get upset about this because, as I imagine, very few of them want to immigrate to Pakistan.
IamJoseph, in Message #84, writes:
Sometimes, remaining neutral can be a greatest crime of all.
Apparently, to you and Bill, "Sometimes" means "all the time."
Edited by Bluejay, : dBCodes again

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Message 89 of 95 (467066)
05-19-2008 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by IamJoseph
05-17-2008 1:06 AM


Minority Report
Hi, IamJoseph. First, I want to apologize to you for being rude and childish and for not giving your points due consideration. It's kind of ironic that I criticized your belligerence with a belligerent style of my own.
IamJoseph writes:
The post must transcend the poster...
In other words, you shouldn't just blather out your personal opinions, but actually provide good commentary on the issue at hand? In all due respect, I do not believe you are doing this very well yourself (on any thread I've been on with you). In your own words:
IamJoseph, in "Spherical Issues," post #85 writes:
I had the same debate with a cosmologist, who said the universe has no centre. And he was backed by a host of other scientists and links, and presented his almost globally agreed position.
And I say its wrong.
I'm seeing this mindset in all your posts.
IamJoseph writes:
...and I find your response inadequate to the issue.
It probably was inadequate. I apologize. I hope you will consider the following response adequate:
IamJoseph writes:
I contend that not wanting to immigrate and not being able to are different paradigms.
I agree with you. However, who's going to complain about not being able to immigrate if they don't want to immigrate and don't know anybody who wants to immigrate? Your argument that the UK should demand reciprocity is asking them to start a conflict on a principle that, in the end, doesn't matter anyway.
Did you grow up with sisters? I have three. The younger ones would always say "no boys allowed in our room," and even put up signs on their door. This really didn't seem like a punishment to me, because their room was always painted pink and was full of dolls. So, I shrugged and went downstairs to watch cartoons.
Occasionally, I would attack the thing on principle, because it made me look powerless if I didn't, but that only led to fights, and I'd get a spanking or have to sit in the corner for an hour or something. I still wish I had been smart enough and humble enough to let it go.
What I see with this Muslim reciprocity thing you're talking about is that demanding that they change their ways will only lead to more wars (just like attacking my sisters' "unfair rules" would lead to fights), and nobody but US Republicans and Al-Qaeda seems to want that.
I'm also sure this will become a bigger issue to people when the Muslim population of the United States and/or other countries grows to macroscopic size, and Christians begin to realize that they may lose their religion to Allah.
But, it's a very conservative, Republican, Christian, Bill O'Reilly thing to do to start a conflict on a principle. Like you said sometimes we may have to "take a stand" and offend or even kill somebody doing it, but, to do so where there is no need because of what might happen in the future does not count as "sometimes" in my book (did you ever see the movie Minority Report?)
Edited by Bluejay, : Apparently, it's not spelled "inadeaquate."

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