The legalization of drugs

I have tacitly and overtly heard people state that the CIA funnels drugs into minority-dominated neighborhoods in order to kill them all off. That's just stupid and I don't mind saying so. Its just a conspiratorial rant. I've also heard some people say that the 'War on Drugs' generates a revenue that didn't previously exist. Looking strictly from monetary point of view, this makes sense that it generates alot of money. That doesn't mean the US isn't serious about getting rid of drugs. The reality is, you can't get rid of drugs completely just like you can't live in a world completely devoid of crime. Jar thinking he can kill two birds with one stone is a lofty dream. I can appreciate the argument as far as it goes, but to suggest that its going to solve the drug problem isn't so.But again, if the War on Drugs wasn't real, the US wouldn't spend gobs of money funding the DEA, the ATF, Customs, the Coast Guard, Border Patrol, and so on and so forth. Nor would every major cities police force have a specialized narcotics unit if they weren't serious about it. They are serious about it. What Jar is saying, is that they are seriously stupid to think they are going to stop drugs and crime through a hit-em-up gangbusters style approach. In that aspect I believe he is right. However, to think that crime will all but go away because you give people drugs is like putting a band-aid on an amputee. The Northwest has been hit particularly hard by the Meth epidemic. It is for the 21'st century what crack was in the 80's and 90's. Oregon has passed a law just like the one you described. It seems to be helping the situation bu cutting out the main, active ingredient. But Methheads are quite resourceful and have found ways of getting around it by banding together. Another huge problem in the Metro-Portland area is metal. Meth heads have resorted to stealing metal and copper wherever they can find it. I can't remember the pound to dollar ratio, but its pretty high, making it one of the more lucrative metals to sell. Its so bad that they are tearing up guard rails, pulling apart bridges and train tracks. And for the copper, they go into new construction areas where an electrician has already layed cable through the house and steal it for the copper filament.

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"The weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God." -2^nd Corinthians 10:4-5

It might well evolve into something like that over time, decades likely. But right now the drug problem in the US is enormous. I believe it will take a real shock to the system to make the change.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

These are outstanding questions to ask: There are many different kinds of drugs-- some synthetic, some grown naturally, some hydroponically. Who covers distribution? How does anyone know how much are needed and where? Is a clinic in Los Angeles' Hollywood district going to have thousands of pounds of various narcotics to dispense? How much is going to be alloted to a clinic in Lincoln, Nebraska? How much and what kinds of drugs will Yuma, Arizona receive? What about Scranton, Pennsylvania? This is an enormous nation with an insatiable appetite for narcotics. These are not strawmen, these are legitimate questions. Exactly. If I can go down to the clinic in downtown Portland and get me some free crack, I can cover the other districts like Eugene, Salem, Gresham who are in demand for more crack. I could be the most succesful peddler ever. I have pure profit. I have no overhead costs because I don't have to spend any money to re-up my supply. I make nothing but money. This is another question that I raised. If there is an allotment, which there would have to be, some people would run out. I can pretend to have a drug problem and I can sell to them because they will pay. If there is no cap, then I could request all the drugs they have and be mister candyman or the ice cream who dispenses all the drugs. Either way, I win because selling drugs is no longer a crime. I'd be untouchable. It would be pretty stupid if they didn't. Case in point: The average cocaine high lasts 15 minutes. Do really think that a true junky is going to lovingly and pateintly come down to the clinic once a day to get just one fix? Hell no! They'd break into the place at night if they could, which, by the way, raises another question about security needs. Another excellent question. Dial-some-dope hotline where you can order all your drugs.Holmes, you live in Amsterdam right? Maybe you can answer better than all of us, why even Amsterdam is not completely laxed on the drug issue. I know they are very liberal when it comes to drugs, but Jar is suggesting something far in excess of that. What are your thoughts?

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"The weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God." -2^nd Corinthians 10:4-5

Cannabis Sativa is the species, there are C. Sativa sativa and c. sativa indica - females of both species produce resin producing buds. The best will be unseeded, sensemilla. Generally the sativa produces a different high to indica (more energetic, less heady).Hemp fibres can be sourced from all subspecies and, AFAIK, both sexes but sativa is higher quality and is therefore the major industrial hemp crop. Hemp is just a common name for the plant.You can extract the oil from cannabis leaves and therefore males can be used, but they are usually removed at first sexual signs or feminised seeds are used and no males will be present anyway (and there are also hermaprodites), unless a seed crop is the aim.ABE: the point that seems to pop-up is that you could acquire these drugs in a decriminalised system even if not an addict. Simple solution would be to urine test. You could tell whether people are using, even estimating extent of drug use, needle use etc.Edited by melatonin, : No reason given.

got any proof

What exactly is being classified as a drug here? Just the ones that are currently illegal? Prescription drugs? Anything that, as wiki defines it, "is taken for non-dietary needs", such as caffeine, alcohol, various sugars, etc.?Are we handing out coffee in the same place where we're passing out syringes full of heroin?

Good question.This is mostly aimed at those drugs that form the illegal street market today. It is not a cure all, nor would it cover every possible drug. There would still be new and niche drugs that would not be addressed initially. No. That's another story and another thread. That would be a nice touch, perhaps alternating between a berry Sidamo and a Tanzanian Peaberry.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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But hard drugs are awful. Legalizing them will not make less addicts, it will make more of them and exacerbate the problem.

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NOPE... None

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"The weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God." -2^nd Corinthians 10:4-5

I really have no problem with marijuana, especially when considering how less dangerous it is compared to nicotine and alcohol. I stopped smoking a long time ago. Even before I was a Christian. I just personally no longer enjoy that feeling of being 'burnt.' I would say thank you for the compliment, but I'm not the artist. I'll email the info to you and I'll explain why when I do. Is the email on your account current? Is that your main email address?

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"The weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God." -2^nd Corinthians 10:4-5

That's all we have done with this "war on drugs" for 20 years.

Any evidence?

I thought the essence of the Christian experince was being "burnt".for the rest of us.

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The Northwest has been hit particularly hard by the Meth epidemic. It is for the 21'st century what crack was in the 80's and 90's. Oregon has passed a law just like the one you described. It seems to be helping the situation bu cutting out the main, active ingredient. But Methheads are quite resourceful and have found ways of getting around it by banding together. Another huge problem in the Metro-Portland area is metal. Meth heads have resorted to stealing metal and copper wherever they can find it. I can't remember the pound to dollar ratio, but its pretty high, making it one of the more lucrative metals to sell. Its so bad that they are tearing up guard rails, pulling apart bridges and train tracks. And for the copper, they go into new construction areas where an electrician has already layed cable through the house and steal it for the copper filament.

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OregonArizonaNevadaIts not an urban legend.

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I really have no problem with marijuana, especially when considering how less dangerous it is compared to nicotine and alcohol. I stopped smoking a long time ago. Even before I was a Christian. I just personally no longer enjoy that feeling of being 'burnt.'

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I'm not sure what you mean. Can you explain?

nice violation of forum rules.