Lying For Jesus Award

Thank you.

If there was one thing I could change about you jar, it would be that attitude. Even when I wasn't a "Chriatian" I did not hold those who were Christian to be responsible for all Christians. Thats called predjudice.I saw a black man robbing a store on TV the other day, do all black men rob stores?I know a homosexual with HIV, do all homo's have HIV?If I thought that, I would be called ever nasty name in the book that a liberal could think of. If a liberal, or anyone else wants to think that all Christians behave the same, just because they are "Christian"
then they deserve to be called all those names too, right? Well then, maybe they should start following there own, moral standards, and stop being predjudice. They should grow up, and start living in the 21st century, and relize that it is immpossible to hold others who nothing to do with you, accountable for your beliefs, and actions. What is seen in 80% of the world is appalling, Christian or not. I won't blame Christianity, I blame individuals.Personally, I am sick of the word Christian. I don't believe that anyone is actual Christian, except Christ. At best, we are all just disciples, ones that screw up... a lot.I think we should have a lying for liberalism of the month award as well.(j/k) But either way, calling anyone a liar is nothing more than an opinion, and totally counter productive to intelligent conversation. I think that anyone who wishes to resort to name calling, and then starts a thread about it, shouldn't even be allowed to debate here.

You win the ironic reply of the month award.The problem with your argument is, that you are confusing religion, the bible, man, and God.Religion is run by, and interpreted by, individuals. There are many fine folk who do not interpret the bible in such a way that it would give Christianity a bad name. Again, this is totally prejudice. If my friend decided to be gay, I would not immediately think he has HIV. And if I did, I would be ridiculed by every liberal, and anyone else who can see past prejudice.Remember, a false prophet is not someone who really represents what Christianity is at all. You can all yourself whatever you want, that doesn't make you one. (although there are many here who will disagree with that, that is how I feel, and it helps me to not be prejudice).People's preconceived notions about Christianity, are based on the actions of people, not the philosophy of the bible, and certainly not what Jesus did.The other mistake you are making is lumping all of Christianity into one category, when if you open the phone book, you will see the many denominations of Christianity, so clearly not all Christians think alike, and unless you are an expert on every single denomination, then you have no right to pre-judge a single Christian.

I don't see that with Christianity. What I see are the actions of a few, that affect the way all Christians appear. There are 2 billion christians in the world. Are all of them fucked up?Regardless, even if I did see that, I still wouldn't prejudge someone based on that info. If I was like that, I would have to hate many people. Maybe in TV land, but the Christians around here are not like that for the most part. I also believe that even if they weren't Christian, they would still be like that. The entire human race sucks, should I be to blame for it, just because I am human? Give me a break, it is not a cop-out, it is the truth, plain and simple. At least I haven't pointed fingers at a whole group of people, and then labeled them. That is exclusively prejudice.Should I hate every musslim because of 9/11 ? Do I think that they are all the same based on what I see on aljezeera? Should I hate all blacks because I have been mugged by black people 3 times? Should think all Italians are cheap, because after 7 years in business, the only people to ever stiff me where Italians? Should I think all homosexuals are perverts, because I have been sexualy harrased by them? (I must be pretty or something LoL). Well it ain't gonna happen jar, so get used to it. Your free to believe in your heart whatever you want to belive. Don't take me wrong, I understand what your saying, and I am an advocate of pointing out to other Christians when they mis-behave, and lie about things. Some people even choose to avoid me because of that. But still it is a mistake to lump everyone into one category. How am I making exuses. We have had this conversation before. I do my part, yet still there is no need to be a prejudice person towards people jar. Not every Christian, is a "bad Christian". Can there even be such a thing as a bad Christian? Isn't that the opposite of a "true Christian"?That is why I am telling you, there is no Christians, only Jesus. The rest of us are just trying to make sense, and other people get in the way of the truth.

Yes, absolutely we are blessed when attacked. We are supposed to rejoice in our tribulations, I don't have a problem with that. I just want to point out the hypocrisy, because that is the thing I hate the most in life. Especially from people who boast themselves as righteous.

You left out child molester.Still, that is no reason to lump all Christians into one big pot, and assume anything about a person, just because they attend church. I guess you really do feel the way I do, and what your saying is just a front, and a cop-out, other wise you would have said "It is there very own documentary that THEY WE create defining what Christianity is.You meant to say WE, right? Because people will not change, and regardless of peoples belief's , most of the world has problems. Using religion as an excuse does not change peoples intentions one bit. Most people, I find are prejudice in one form or another, liberals are just in denial about Christians. Thats what I see with life. Jesus is supposed to change you when you become Christian, that is why I question the authentisity of all these people you call Christians.
True repentance must take place when you go to the Lord. Otherwise it's all just talk, and a poor excuse to act out what you really are, which has nothing to do with Christianity, as it should be.

No he doesn't jar, not at all, that is such a BS comment.
With an attitude like yours, it is no wonder that religious wars get started. He only represents those that agree with him, and support him. Religion is completely subjective, as you are well aware, and it is impossible for the TVangelist to represent anyone who disagrees with him. It is a free country and there is freedom of speech.According to your line of thinking then, we should all be flag burners. That's fine, I'll do the same. However, you won't just be showing people that you are different, you will be showing people that they are a bit ignoarant, and maybe a little prejudice.It's only after you show people, that they realize that not all Christians are alike, and the ones on TV do not represent you in any way shape or form, and that they were most definately wrong for thinking so. I was specifically talking about liberals who hate all Christians, just because they are Christian. People can change, but the amount is so small that its almost nonrecognizable. That won't stop you or I from trying though. Because you are being stubborn, closeminded, and stuck in a line of thinking that won't set you free. You should have learned from history
that is not a good way to be.It's just hypocrisy, thats all it is. Maybe one day you'll see it.

Yes, I am on board with that, and your view of the whole thing is 100% realistic. You probably do not have a prejudive bone in ya.I am not really disagreeing with jar's outlook on the whole thing, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of those who claim to be in the "know".

But not everyone who says Lord Lord will go to heaven, or something like that.

You and I both know that the second I mention the word Christ, or something biblical, immediatly I am a fundie, blah blah blah.The truth is, they are hypocrites.
I have nothing further to say.

It is plainly obvious to me that there is no true religion, as there just too many. The word "true Christian" is a nonsense statement. After reading much of the bible, and what Jesus tries to teach us, you find out rather easily that it is not up to us to decide who and what true Christianity is. I think I realized that when I was 8 years old, and yelled at by the nun for asking where in the bible is the hail Mary. I went home and read a few pages from the bible, and quickly realized that religion was BS.Religion is whatever you want it to be, and we are free to call ourselves whatever we want. That is a fact. We retain these freedoms for obvious reasons, and everyone should be well aware of this.If we came together as a group to try and defeat this, we would be likening ourselves to the wicked religious leaders of years gone by, (ABE) and probably just get it wrong again anyway.
I feel like I would be comprimising peoples freedoms by doing this. The only way I can see to try and preach "true Christianity" is by loving all, including my enemies, and the crazy preachers on TV, and not judging them, people know not what they do, including myself. We live by grace alone.Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

I think for the most part catholism does not agree with main stream Christianity. Many denominations do not agree with each other. Just study how the prodestants started.Watch the movie "Luther", gives you a good view of the battles that take place between Christians.Probably why I belong to a non-denominational church. And that will only be good as long as it lasts.The point of getting together is to help each other, then become a stronger force to help others outside your church. If that ain't happening, then I don't feel it's right. To follow Jesus is not easy. He even said that brothers would be fighting brothers, and so on.I have more questions than answers, but there is a definate prejudice that goes on towards anyone that calls himself Christian. And while it may be a Christians responsibility to remove the source of where that comes from, that still doesn't make it right for a person to be prejudice against anyone. Especially from people who claim to be so against prejudice.Matter fact, next person that joins this board, and calls me a fundie, I will have to call them prejudice. But it won't be out of hate.

He who is without sin shold throw the first stone.That and maybe money, and a television network.

Picking and choosing what is literal now, are we?I believe the story happened, but more importantly, it was written and published for thousands of years for us to learn a lesson from.Jesus came to save, not to judge. I am not going to go to capitol hill and start a march against other people, when I myself cannot get it right. All I can do is love them, and try to come to an understanding with people who think like that.Everyone keeps talking to me, like I do not do my part, but believe me, I am that guy in my church who ruins the party all the time. fortunately it happens almost next to never in my church, because people are educated. Many of the ideas that we talk about in this forum come up in leadership meetings in my church as we look for a way to be relavent in the 21st century. Including the one you presented about giving to other organizations without taking any credit at all. And it wasn't even me that thought of it. Maybe He meant do not condemn. I never said it was wrong to rebuke them, I do it all the time. That one, I do not know about. I usually forgive people instantly, but I may not trust them until the repent.

So then you agree with me.In Acts 11:26 it says "The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch."Like I said before, I prefer to call myself a disciple. It was others who gave them the name Christians.Acts 26:28Then Agrippa said to Paul, "Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?"29Paul replied, "Short time or long”I pray God that not only you but all who are listening to me today may become what I am, except for these chains."What was Paul? He was a disciple.Only 1 Peter 4:16 supports your statement.But words change meaning over time. My other point is also not to call myself a Christian. If people want to call me that, that is fine, I only want to be called that if I earn it.Clearly there is a problem when others are calling themselves Christian, and not acting like a Christian.