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anglagard Member (Idle past 836 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
You might be right but I fear that their first target will be folk like myself. This may not be a comforting thought, but if history is any guide, including the history of this forum, you are very likely to be correct in this observation. What fundamentalists consider 'heretics' seem to always be considered a greater threat than any external religion. Look at all those witchburnings and the Catholic vs Protestant warfare that took place while the Ottomans besieged Vienna. I guess people like myself who adhere to the numerically smaller 'outsider' beliefs will be second. Larger competing religions will be third, then Athiests, Catholics, other Protestants, then finally each other.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 836 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
NJ writes: The fundamental difference is that Hwang was empirically and demonstrably shown to have manipulated the evidence, whereas Coulter and Falwell are giving their opinions on their beliefs. What exactly did they "lie" about? If you can't point out a specific lie, then you are only essentially giving us your rhetorical opinion of those you distaste, which makes your indictment unsubstantiated. "I think Mohammed was a terrorist. He - I read enough of the history of his life written by both Muslims and - and - non-Muslims, that he was a - a violent man, a man of war. And I do believe that - Jesus set the example for love, as did Moses. And I think that Mohammed set an opposite example."--Jerry Falwell, 60 Minutes, October 6, 2002 "I have never said in a sermon or a speech that Muhammad is a terrorist."--Jerry Falwell, interview with Religion News Service How's that for a start. More to come.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 836 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Wikipedia has something interesting in its article about Pat Robertson:
quote: I remember seeing all those pictures with children carrying machine guns, provided of course they still had hands and arms. Amazing that a Southern Baptist would mildly criticize Robertson for profiting from the misery of others, but that is just another example of that fundie morality in action. Actually such behavior is no surprise, consider this:
quote: Guess the line between being treated as sub-human and non-human is somewhat fine.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 836 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: Some of you people are soooo deluded! When are you going to get it in your thick heads what true Biblical fundies teach, believe and do? We do, teach, think and believe what Jesus and the apostles did, taught, thought and believed, that you do violence to no man, even to the point that you suffer for your testinony, your faith and your Lord Jesus Christ. It's too bad that there are not more Biblical fundies that speak and act accordingly. Instead, what is often the case is that the spokesmen for fundamentalism preach that they must control all aspects of life in whatever nation they would 'conquor' for their religious cult.
quote: What if this attempt to "take back what is rightfully ours" is resisted?
quote: When such representatives of fundamentalism spout off in support of theocratic dictatorship, how come all other fundies are silent? Is it because they also want to see democracy destroyed? Is it because they fear an equal competition in the marketplace of ideas? What is so ridiculous about this whole exercise is that if the fundies were actually to seize power and recreate their paradise known as the Dark Ages, the resulting destruction of education, then the economy, then the military, and then the nation would be inevitable. It is as if the most vocal Biblical fundamentalists are a sort of fifth column for Islamic fundamentalists or Chinese communists. After all, the pronouncements from each are virtually identical save a few buzzwords. Should these fundies ever actually gain power why would the actions be any different than their stated goals? Or are we supposed to assume they are all liars for Jesus? Edited by anglagard, : spelin' and clar'ty Edited by anglagard, : more spelin'
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anglagard Member (Idle past 836 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: I said there are issues with Falwell which I have. You seem to be missing and fail to refute my point that nothing you or Jar have come up with constitute violence or lying on the part of Falwell. I already pointed out im message 214 of this thread where Falwell lied. Here are some more from http://www.tylwythteg.com/enemies/Falwell/falwell3.html
quote: quote: There are yet more examples. How many do you require before you will admit that Falwell has lied in the past?
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anglagard Member (Idle past 836 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: If you superscrutinize everything any given person says who talks on TV as much as a pastor and chancelor of a large church and university you could likely dig up plenty of irregularities. It appears that Falwell should be more careful to either keep commitments he voiced or refrain from voicing them knowing so many are out to defame him. I think we have an obvious difference in opinion concerning those who presume to speak for God. To me, any such person who enjoys wealth and power enough to have their mug all over the TV should be held to a higher standard of morality than the average person. On the other hand, you appear to believe that such people should be held to a lower standard of behavior than we would demand of the average person. The argument that anyone who says what you want to hear should be given a free pass to break any commandment is a major factor in driving people away from Christianity. Is this your purpose in defending, or at least minimizing, the actions of such liars, thieves, adulterers, and blastphemers? I should certianly hope not. If you believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible, why don't you just outright condemn such behavior as the Bible does? Even Jesus drove the moneychangers from the Temple, or do you think that was just a myth? Why are you seeming to blame Falwell's critics for Fallwell's lies? Maybe if Fallwell didn't lie as much, he would have less critics. You may want to ponder that idea for awhile.
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