Consciousness and Dreams

So what is it that makes you think that the dreams you have are actual locations in other dimensions ? You dont seriously think that there are other dimensions which are anything like here on earth . When science talks of other dimensions it is in an abstract sense , no physical matter can exist there . The other dimensions they talk about are all intertwined with this dimension .I think dreams are a testament to the amazing complexity of the human brain . Why cant our dreams simply be the intereaction between our subconscious and conscious ? Dreams are just that , dreams . They arent real , you can argue that they might be real , but there is no way to prove it .I dont have a problem accepting that you think dreams may occur on some hypothetical "astral plane" , i do however have a problem undertanding how someone can think that based on absolutely no evidence other than their dream experiences .

If you define dreams being fundementaly flawed as being unto memory in the reliability stakes I would say yes they are fundementaly flawed. I would go on to say that it is you who asserts that dreams and visions are valid and ideed workable methods of pan dimensional information transmission and the burden of proof is on you.If such things had any informational value, we as the grasping, path of least resistance specie that we are would exploit it in the way we exploit every thing else that even half way works.

I learned the rules of chess in one day.If it was perfect we would not be discussing it now. We would have dreamed this and invalidated the arguement.If it was perfect we would have a hot line to god, we would not have the story of the 10 commandments, the Arc, (an Raiders thereof) the Metatron would not have stopped Abraham from sacrificing his son, Isaac.All this would have been done in a dream. Quick and efficient.

We live in a 3d world. When look at something that is 2d, like a piece of paper, we can see the whole thing.If we lived in a 4d world, maybe where no time existed, we would be able to see 3d, the way we see 2d now.When you close your eyes, and picture the past, you can. A hint that maybe our minds are in a 4d world. Couple that with some visions I had of the future, then I can see past present and future.It's highly subjective I know, but it is possible.Note: for 39 years, I thought visions of the future were pure BS, until it happened to me.In one of my visions, I was in space looking at the earth. It was a globe, but I could see all sides of it, very weird. I also know a few other people that have seen this, but they knew nothing of demensions.Call me crazy if you want, I completely understand.

I guess you did not visit the link I provided.I also don't want to comment on your spelling, but people around here take that pretty seriously also. I have been told if you do not take the time to at least try to spell correctly, or spell check your stuff, then it will affect the validity of what you say. No one is perfect, as I have pointed out, but at least make the effort.
PS my spelling sucks.

So you have already demostrated that you are not fully understanding me, or your reading comprehension isn't there. Why else would you respond to my quote:"You don't learn how to play chess well, in a day."With that answer. I did not say learn the rules of chess, I said learn to play well. Big difference.Life is not that simple. Every experience we go through brings us up a level. This is God's intent for us, it's all His will, the good and the bad, which brings you to know Him. Whether it's dreams and visions, RL experiences, it's all from Him. That's my opinion.If God exists, then surely He knows what he is doing. We are nothing but little specks in the over-all creation, who are we to say: I suggest you read the end of Job in the bible, God lays it down quite well there.Anything worth while in this life takes some kind of effort. You think getting into heaven, or knowing God would be any different?Just look at how hard we have to study, to learn about evolution, or biology, or geology, and we are only scratching the surface. You have some nerve to try and sum up all of life with those statements.I guess EVC has a new answer man, the go-to guy.But I admire your spirit.

No. I did read go to the link, but to be honest it's a pile of crap with a few adverts for books (as is always the case on such web sites). Dream interpretaion is in valid. You may as well go to a fortune teller.True my splelink in rubbish. Thanks for pointing it out.I refer you to my previous post. Pan dimensional communication via dreams? Come on, really?

"You have some nerve to try and sum up all of life with those statements." - RiveRatYes. I have some nerve.You got me on the chess thing though "Every experience we go through brings us up a level. This is God's intent for us, it's all His will, the good and the bad, which brings you to know Him. Whether it's dreams and visions, RL experiences, it's all from Him. That's my opinion." RiverRat"You have to back up your assertions around here,unless they are just your opinion, then we can choose to dismiss it." - RiverRatThen there is not much else for us to say.Ed: extra commentThis message has been edited by Larni, 02-23-2006 07:37 AM

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We live in a 3d world. When look at something that is 2d, like a piece of paper, we can see the whole thing.

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Paper is 3D, not 2D.It has thickness; it's just not very thick.If it were really 2D, it would completely disappear when viewed on edge.

You speak of living in a 4D world , that if we lived in one that we would see our 3 dimensions as we see 2d currently . This would be correct , if a 4D world was a 4 visual dimension world . However , whenever science refers to 4d its reffering to time as a 4th dimension , not to a 4th visual dimension . Science uses additional dimensions to describe unusual conceptual models of space . There are only 3 spatial dimensions , time is expressed as a 4 dimension , and then string theory uses an extra 5-6 dimensions used to explain such forces as strong nuclear forces , gravity , etc . They are not extra physical dimensions where actual matter can exist .Now if you can prove to me that some extra physical dimensions exist where you can actually travel to in your dreams ( i dont know how you can prove this , remember your the one making the claim ) then i will know that this is the case . I am not aware of the things you have experienced in your lifetime , and as i am still young (21) i am yet to have experienced similar things . Maybe ill experience them , maybe i wont , i dont know , but what i do know is that you cant convince someone over the internet without any evidence to support your claim .Im not calling you crazy , there is an explaination for everything that happends , im not denying that you experienced such things as i prefer to give enough respect to peolpe on the internet to believe that what they say they experience actually happened to them . Now whether what you experienced was infact premonitions or just taking your dreams out of context , i am in no position to decide that , the only one here who is is you and you must do your best to give us your honest opinion on what has happened to you .The vision you speak of , where you are viewing the earth from space but you are viewing all sides , what makes you think that this confirms that dreams occur in other dimensions ? The only dimensions we can confirm are the 3 visual dimensions and time , the rest are used to explain theories . They may as well not even exist as nothing can be confirmed as string theory is still a theory , and theories change all the time .

riVeRrat It cannot be a globe then since the geomtry of a 3 dimensional globe cannot be viewed in its entirety and remain a 3D globe. What do you mean in its entriety? How would you know?Have you sufficient knowledge of what Antarctica looks like to be able to know that this is the case? How many islands did you notice in the Alaska panhandle?
How many lakes are located in the former Soviet union?
Which country is located exactly 180 degrees from Quito Ecua
dorThis is a clear cut case of uncritical thinking on your part. No sir, you cannot. You cannot because our minds do not record events as a though it were a film. The brain does an incomplete construction of the world around us and is not capable of great fidelity. You are free to imagine the past but that does not make it so.

Yes, I realize that. I was only talking about the 2d side of the paper.

What 2D side of the paper?

Let me help you here.What you mean to say is that what we see as a 2 dimensional image on paper is a representation of what something 2 dimensional is.In fact we could not actually see what is in 2 dimensional space as it is infinitely thin and we would see right through it.Theoretically along this line of understanding, a being that exists in 4 dimensional space could only understand the concept or be aware of a representation of it as aplied to a 4 d viewing "space"Surface is to 3d as space is to 4dThat would be my "clear" 3 dimensonal understanding of it as I am in 3d

The side you see.This is not a technical discussion about 2d and 3d.If you stop debating about what that actually is, and I believe we all have that understanding of what 2d is here, then you can understand my original point, which has to do with the topic.You are not going to somehow make my thoughts invalid by trying to prove that I do not know what 2d is, when I do.