truth preserving logic?(value of human life)

Ben Slave traders?

I have no problem with that, I'll even volenteer myself, but what I was asking is what would you do [i]now[i/]. I even heard that lebanon was recuperating and starting to flurish (maybe) before the war started, but they did nothing about Hezbolla and now its abit too late. BTW, the economic situation in Israel is not that good that we can start giving out foreign aid - we do a little but we have problems too. That what Israelis have been trying to do for the past few years - we even had a TV show (like american idol - I know its stupid) that tests young people in expaining the Israeli foreign situation. I dont understand. LOL. you go to Lebanon - I'll get killed there. I dont think we have that kind of money. Great idea. One has been proposed with palastine - I'm not sure - I think it is an industrial complex or something.

The problem as I see it is that terrorism is really a war of public relations. Yes the terrorist can harm Israelis. No one questions that. But sooner or later the issues will have to be settled diplomatically. You can not win a war against terrorism militarily.I know that you personally face the threat of rocket attack and I wish that were not the case, but has the action in Southern Lebanon killed more terrorists than it created?The solution to the problem of Hezbollah is eventually goning to depend on a strong Sovereign Lebanon that actually has the capability to police its own internal territory. Until the Nation State of Lebanon reaches that point I see little prospect for things improving.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

that very much resembles Israels policy on Lebanon if you watch the speaches that the Israeli PM gave and the minister of national security and the head of the IDF - they all say pretty much the same thing - it will all be resolved diplomaticaly. As for their actions leading to diplomacy - I too object to the extent that Israel has gone to hurt Hezbolla, its not entirely justified, but I dont have another solution.

You mean the your politicians say one thing but do another?Amazing?I thought only our politicians did that.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Its actually the only think they do. You'll be amaized at some of the things that go on in the kneset (legeslative parlament - I think). A secretary turned MP (member of parlament), a celebrity in the advertisment of cometics turned MP, MPs getting summoned for interigation by the police all the time!

Well, we elected a third rate "B" actor President.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Dont forget "the terminator". Now thats funny.

ok, i'm glad i'm not the only one. i gave an explanation in another thread of how i thought palestine should be dealt with, but i don't think that would work here. hizballah seems like a bit of a different organization to me.i think, unfortunately, war is unavoidable in this case. launching rockets into civilian areas and taking prisoners are really acts of war. but bombing civilian areas in lebanon may not be the best response. you would think that killing ten to a hundred times as many would be a good deterent from messing with israel, but clearly that's not working.the middle east isn't exactly an easy situation to rectify.

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Just to try and move right to the heart of the issue: Yes, that's valuing each other's lives, but that's not "valuing human life."The most useful usage of "valuing human life" that I can think of is to act in accordance with a principle, an ideaology, that every human life is valuable. Protecting your family, your friends, your countrymen, your relgious peers--that's not valuing human life. Valuing human life is to protect ALL life BECAUSE it is human life.In other words, to protect your neighbors and slaughter outsiders is not "valuing human life", not in any way that I think of anyway. It's a principled attempt to protect every human life. Crappy job by me. "Truly valuing human life" to me would mean, valuing every human life equally. Because, to value human life in a PRINCIPLED way means to value a human life ONLY because it is human life. But nobody does that. Of course they don't. People protect their lives and (to a lesser degree) the lives of those they know to a much greater degree than the lives of outsiders, foreigners, and people they don't know. Maybe in a single moment no, but a person is not defined by a moment, but by their lives. And I've never known anybody who values all human life equally for a long time in their life.I'm not saying that's bad--not at all. Just saying that "truly" valuing human life is not a useful ideal, and not one that I think anybody really holds.

So what would be a propotionate response (remember - this is a terrorist organization, their tactic is to blend in with the civilian population)?

Now I get it. I agree.
Although I would not kill someone just for being somebody I dont like, I just think of my self as a non-violent person.

IMHO the key is intellegence. A police type response will more likley be effective than a military one. The problem is it takes time and committment to stick to a course that will not likely show visible results in a politically charged environment. Remember, the rocket attacks are not meant as much to kill Israelis (although when that happens it is a mitzvah) as to place political pressure on the governement and stir up political discontent within th Israeli government.The response to terrorism unfortunately must be simialr to the response to crime organizations. Get into the organization, identify key players, eliminate them preferably through a court action but when needed, killing them.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

what jar said. and:someone told me once that in israel, when a suicide bomber blows up a bus stop, they rebuild it the next day. beyond ignoring the violence, making it like it never happened. i'm not sure the story's true though terrorists are trying to provoke response. response only justifies their methods, and over-response justifies it even more. all israel is doing is creating martyrs for hizballah, and giving them more lebanese support. perhaps counter-intuitive is the only way to go?on another note, and more in line with what jar said, how do you feel about quiet counter-terrorism assassinations, ala munich? in the movie (and in reality) it didn't really solve anything. — —,
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We have been doing just that with accurate missle bombings of key players in Gaza, the problem is that for every key player in a terrorist organization there are lots more waiting on the bench to play.