Right wing conservatives are evil? Well, I have evidence that they are.

Thank you buzsaw, with your last post you inspired probably about ten people to have utter disgust for Christians, I am sure you will regret the "homosexuals are evil to God" line someday, when you realize you misinterpreted the Bible, and totally MISSED THE POINT.As a Christian you should try to show others truth, there you showed others hate. Remember the Christ man!People are People, no matter sexual preference, although I don't think it is a good thing to be a homosexual, its not natural, and takes away the chance to meet a life-companion meant for you. Like in Eternal Sunshine of the spotless minds. People are not given the right to judge others on these issues. Especially ones that can affect a persons view on life, and on my beliefs, I feel sort of insulted by what you said there, and am angry. (notice my avatar? I turned pink)Edit by Phatboy..(I had to look up that movie)This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 03-30-2005 05:11 AM

I believe humans are set apart from nature, we are something more. This is a main reason why I can't accept darwin's ideas as truth. Although adaptation is there.

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Uh, lots of gay folk have found a life companion.

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As in man and woman. These life companions are very different.

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Social Darwinism enjoyed widespread popularity in some European circles, particularly among ruling elites during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. During this period the global recession of the 1870s encouraged a view of the world which saw societies or nations in competition with one another for survival in a hostile world. This attitude encouraged increasing militarization and the division of the world into colonial spheres of influence. The interpretation of social Darwinism of the time emphasized competition between species and races rather than cooperation.

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John 19:11 "Jesus answered, 'You would have no power at all against me, unless it were given to you from above. Therefore he who delivered me to you has greater sin."

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This reference I think, was making it clear that people in general as a race, were responsible for his delivery. Who's sin is worse is really trivial, strive to be holy and not to sin at all. If one does sin, that should mean nothing to you, remember the prostitute that was going to be stoned?Sometimes we miss the important message for such little details.

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Under Jewish law, some sins received greater punishment than others as prescribed by God.

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Law is of man's design. I saw a great movie yesterday called "The Motorcycle Diaries". It went into the lives of unfortunate people who are suppressed by another human's government. Pointless it becomes to get a better form of government. Nothing will be perfect, to the contrary of what people may think of the US's democracy. Not realizing the lives that have been taken for an effort to convert those to our culture. Our culture is nothing to them, we are a monster industrializing other areas that were once truly beautiful. Libraries, museums destroyed.Peace out, im addicted to world of warcraft :-(This message has been edited by prophex, 03-30-2005 11:29 AM

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Social Darwinism enjoyed widespread popularity in some European circles, particularly among ruling elites during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. During this period the global recession of the 1870s encouraged a view of the world which saw societies or nations in competition with one another for survival in a hostile world. This attitude encouraged increasing militarization and the division of the world into colonial spheres of influence. The interpretation of social Darwinism of the time emphasized competition between species and races rather than cooperation.

We are the horde. We ruin people's lives for the sake of our own.I think that this speculation on conservatives, and liberals is trivial and ridiculous, these classes seperate our country, at times when unity is needed. These classes also get people to believe that the choices that they make are right, people begin to call themselves these titles, forgetting that they are a single unique individual and that they are the ones with the ideas, blindly following a political party even if it's ideas, motives, or actions contradict what they want. This is what is wrong with the way of things, and forcing this on other countries is tragic.Lao Tzu taught us to "master thyself", we seem not only to be uncapable of that as individuals, but as a nation, and we are removing wood lodgings from the middle east while being blinded with our own.

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Social Darwinism enjoyed widespread popularity in some European circles, particularly among ruling elites during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. During this period the global recession of the 1870s encouraged a view of the world which saw societies or nations in competition with one another for survival in a hostile world. This attitude encouraged increasing militarization and the division of the world into colonial spheres of influence. The interpretation of social Darwinism of the time emphasized competition between species and races rather than cooperation.

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We aren't part of nature according to you?

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Step out of the physical realm, humans are all there is.

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If you think that homosexuality is wrong because your religion teaches that it is wrong, that's one thing, but to say it is "unnatural" just isn't true.

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Humans are designed to be male with female, isn't it obvious?

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Don't you think that the strength of the evidence found in nature, rather than your desire for what you wish the world was like, should determine what your view of reality is?

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1. Evidence is interpretive.
2. Reality is what I choose to make of it. Because of this I can say that I am apart from the animal kingdom, on a spiritual, and mental basis.

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How so?

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Let's see, Male and Female humans are slightly different, if two Males or two Females are the same, then that is mos def different than say a male and a female were earthly companions. Reproduction is part of human homeostasis that is direct evidence of man and woman's natural togetherness.

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I really don't think that the party that has been in power for the last 4 1/2 uears is particularly interested in unifying the country.

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Stop dwelling on the party seperation, develop your own party, Don't blame a single entity for an entire nation's unwillingness to become united as one, that is just senseless.

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They've basically told anyone who doesn't just roll over and go along with everything they say to F%&K OFF.

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What are you talking about?

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You must address the actual, not the ideal. In actuality, homsexuality happens, and is as "natural" as anything else that happens.

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Humanity is able to reason, homosexuality doesn't make sense logically. Making it un-natural.

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but I can't see anything illogical about homosexuality. The word 'illogical' refers to reasoning

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To other animals we are far beyond. We can reason. Homosexuality doesn't seem reasonable, it just doesn't make sense. Through seeing things so far, I understand that Man and Woman is the resonable fit in nature. This reasoning leaves the possibility of homosexuality pointless, or unproductive and without reason, or logic.

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Try again.

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I thought we were past this sort of annoying response.

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Social Darwinism enjoyed widespread popularity in some European circles, particularly among ruling elites during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. During this period the global recession of the 1870s encouraged a view of the world which saw societies or nations in competition with one another for survival in a hostile world. This attitude encouraged increasing militarization and the division of the world into colonial spheres of influence. The interpretation of social Darwinism of the time emphasized competition between species and races rather than cooperation.

This topic is sort of trivial, probably off topic, and generally overly disscussed. But you can check out the reply to berberry, it would be eggactly what I would respond to you with. Same ideas from the both of you.

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This is just not worth pursuing.Immediate gratification is not productive.

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But that isn't reasoning. It's like saying: "I understand that vanilla ice cream topped with chocolate sauce is a reasonable fit in nature. This leaves the possibility of chocolate ice cream with chocolate sauce pointless, unproductive and without reason." Yet some people like chocolate ice cream with chocolate sauce, and they will insist on eating it that way. Why is that unreasonable?

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I think that you mixed up what I said. I think homosexuality when actually thought about is complete nonsense, probabaly based on pleasure like holmes said, and is really a hinderance to one's true goals in life, and purpose.

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How do you figure? Homosexuals are attracted to members of their own sex. It's entirely reasonable that they would act on that attraction. It makes perfect sense.

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What do they get out of this action on attraction? Does it really mean anything? And, is it really at all productive? When compared to a relationship that is male and female, it seems pointless.

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If you do not want an annoying response, you shouldn't make an annoying post.

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It wasn't your entire response, just the "Try Again" part. If anything I do annoys you, you are entitled to not replying, just press the red "X" on the right hand corner of your screen. You didn't think it was annoying, you added that to combat what I thought about "Try Again".

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Homosexuality does make sense. Evidence is mounting in studies of humans and non-human animals that homosexuals perform care-giving roles in social units and thus benefit the survival of the population as a whole.

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Any human can help any other human, this evidence works in any situation with any 2 humans.

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It is only pointless by your simple logic: no direct reproduction = unproductive/pointless. However, an examination of evidence suggests a scenario where homosexuals essentially engage in "indirect" reproduction by aiding the survival of their young kin.

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Which is less effective than the majority of male and female pairs.

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That is highly insulting. You are speaking of things you know nothing about. Most homosexuals are interested in far more than immediate gratification.

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Like what?

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Is this how you always deal with arguments that go over your head? You just hurl an insult or two and dismiss any subject you can't understand as though it were beneath you?

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Don't be offended, rather give me an example.

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You may ALSO have a spiritual basis, you might not. Mentally, however, you are very much an animal.

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That's what many people would like me to believe, unfortunately for them and yourself, I can reason, and type up this letter to you on this device called a computer, designed by humans.

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But homosexuality occurs in much of nature, including in humans, so that makes it natural.

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If your religion teaches that homosexuality is wrong, that's one thing, but to say it's unnatural just isn't true.

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What is natural is sometimes thought of what is a normalcy, or of regular occurence. In this case it's rare.

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Actually, reality is there regardless of what you think it is or want it to be.

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The scientific method is the best way we know of to get as close as we can to the truth of reality about the natural world.

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Seeking out truth through experience of the outside world is 1up on the scientific method. Existentialism, through what I do, that is my reality. And this is why everything that I do matters, contrary to other animal's robot like functions.

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I used reason to come to the conclusion that homosexuality is nonsense, almost fully based on immediate gratification, or false inklings of what one thinks love is.

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