Right wing conservatives are evil? Well, I have evidence that they are.

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AAPL - American Academy of Psychiatry and the LawThe eternal and constant "battle" within humanity has been the ideas of justice defined by psychiatry, (human wisdom) vs justice defined by spirituality (intrinsic evil) Legislation of morality vs allowing things to play out the way that they need to play out.Prophex, I cannot begin to explain to you everything that I want you to think about, but I will say that there are many things to consider. You say that Law is of man's design. True Dat. We need law, and we always have. The issue that many conservatives are "evil" stems from the origin of conservative thought. The community! Not only the religious people. After 9/11, the conservatives tapped into national fear and made us want to punish the enemy. Quite the character, Oliver was. Speaking of characters, what do you think of this? My question is this: If a man gets elected president, does he begin to see himself as "The President" and not who he is as an individual? In other words, when humans in real life become characters...such as "The Pope" or "The President" or even locally as "The D.A." or "The Judge" or "The Cop" or even as "The Gangster/Crip, MS 13, Blood, skinhead, or even "The Christian"...whatever...do we divorce ourselves from our own identities and take on a larger role as a character?The conservatives took a good idea, Christian morality, and hijacked it as representative of our national character.The reason that I ask this is because of the topic thread on conservatism as evil. There is a good book that I have yet to read.
"Why the Right gets it wrong and the Left doesn't get it." The right has always tried to legislate morality, but at least they don't feel ashamed about proclaiming an absolute morality. The left has championed freethinking yet is hopelessly undecided on any course of action. They need an absolute focus but shy away from proclaiming one. Lets get back to role playing. What about the war in Iraq? If you are an American officer, you use computers and graphic simulations to "hit" the enemy. Very similar to the role playing game that you love. If we have an army like that, where the individual accountability is lost in "game playing" and then we have a president whose individual accountability is lost in his role as "President".....is it any wonder that we have a world of contradictions? A world where, as you say...God loves ALL people. The Muslim world is not simply a place of "hordes of infidels and shrouded women." They were and are a cultural center of thought. Perhaps our U.S. culture is nothing to them because they think it odd that even as our leaders proclaim us a nation of Christian morality, the evidence shows us to be the horde of idolators. They see us as the horde and we see them as the horde!Our nation was not founded on Christian principles but on Enlightenment ones. Many of us are Christians, but Christianity should never become the national character! The U.S. dare not play a role if we expect Islam to do likewise. The legislation of morality sets up a self fullfilling apocalyptic scenario in world affairs.We need to think as individuals and interact with God on a daily basis. He gives us our character...ourself...our role to play in life. We should never try to act like who we are not. (Unless we are playing a game! )This message has been edited by Phatboy, 03-30-2005 12:35 PM

Murder or killing happens in nature. Murder happens among human animals. Does "natural" mean that an act is right? I will concede any attempt to legislate morality, however. Conservatives attempt to legislate morality under the assumption that Gods way is the best way. I do not disagree that God is the best way. Others assume Him to be a tyrant or an irrational god. They would also assume, however, that God is a construct of the human mind and that Gods character was defined by humanity. I would say that humanity was created perfect by God and then became corrupt. Our character was foreknown by God. Of course, some blame God for corrupting us...others say that we did it to ourselves.(which I think)Irregardless of all that, I want to make my point:Humanity will never successfully craft or design a perfect government.America....OF....BY....and FOR the people is the best model that the world has got. The evil of America is not only the conservative agenda. The evil of America is the evil of humanity. Evil exists.Scraff, would you agree with me that evil within humanity exists? Is it natural?

Hold up. So what you mean is that to act natural or to behave natural means to behave and/or act like God wants us to act?I would say that to act natural means to act under the assumption that we are our own law. Which proves the point that conservatives are evil. They run the country and they run it naturally.
Not to say that everyone else is not evil also....because we ALL do what we do quite naturally.A Christian by definition goes against the grain of natural. In a pluralistic nation, believers and non believers should coexist. Neither side should legislate morality and ethics against the beliefs of the other.

Prophex, don't let these guys phaze you. There are many issues involved here. First of all, our topic is Right Wingers as evil.
This side topic is apparantly addressed in regards to legislation and definition of morality. Are you guys with me so far?If a toddler bonds with his Elmo or Teddy Bear, he is deriving pleasure, bonding, and fullfillment from the kindly stuffed animal.
Is this natural? Yes...for a three year old.If a pre teen boy bonds with his sports idol such as Miguel Cabrerra and wants autographs and thinks that the guy is so cool is this natural? Yes, for an eleven year old.If a pre teen girl falls in love with the latest teen guy on the Disney Channel, and she puts up pictures and writes letters and all, is that natural? Perhaps a bit insecure, but yes for a ten year old girl.If Holmes and I are close friends and I think that he is a handsome guy and he also likes me...it is natural to a point. I may be attracted to holmes avatar (that disco look! LOL) but the fact remains that at some point, holmes is holmes and I am me. There is no communion. There is no complimentary union. There is only idolatry. I could choose to marry holmes, but I would not be fullfilling anything natural in either of our lives. Woman are from Venus for a reason. Men don't know much about Venus.Now...as far as telling Berberry or holmes or anyone else what is right for their lives, I agree that they just need to figure it out for themselves.Prophex, as a Christian, I can encourage you to bond with whomever you want to bond with...be it your homies or be it that fine girl in social studies. As long as you have bonded with Jesus first, you won't trip out and become too infatuated with anyone human! True Dat. Animals don't know how to bond with Jesus as far as we know. They won't be judged.I like the pink avatar, by the way! Chris has the whole "divine light" behind him in his avatar! Definitely original! This message has been edited by Phatboy, 04-01-2005 05:05 PM

Ok. Berberry lets get back on topic. What three things make you think that Right Wing conservatives are evil?I would say that the three things I dislike are these:
1) Holier than thou attitude. I DO love Jesus, but I don't look upon anyone who does not as any less than me. I fight them because they disrespect my "ignorant attitudes and beliefs."2) Legislation of Morality. This is a biggie. The Schavio case is one recent example of this battleground. Michael Newdow is another.3) Lack of creativity. Most right wingers are DULL.

The whole issue on "rights" highlights this topic. Wheelchair access for the disabled was enormously expensive for many small businesses. The issue of discrimination boils down to money, apparantly.Right wing politics is criticised for the attempt to define the parameters of proper inclusion.
In other words, who gets in Da Club and who gets left out?Left wing politics wants everybody to have a pass to da club.What if society went one step further....like say...brother and sister having the "right" to marry? The Right would disagree.
So would I...the moderate.What does anyone else think? Should brother/sister marriages be let in da club? Why or why not?This message has been edited by Phatboy, 04-01-2005 05:48 PM

Because in all probability, the right wing would legislate morality against it whereas someone in the far left would say that it would be nobodies business but that family.Maybe I should use another example...how about step siblings having the right to marry?What I am getting at is the definition of morality. God fearing folk use the Bible. What other sources are used? Public opinion??This message has been edited by Phatboy, 04-02-2005 02:27 AM

LOL! Did you make that up, Crashfrog? Cuz if you did, your humor has made you well. Go and sin no more!

Yes. I agree. It is kinda like being wealthy and working in a soup kitchen. You try and be humble, but it takes a lot of humility. I personally have pulled back a bit because I know that God will reach everyone that He so chooses...BTW push the peek option to see how I highlighted the text. PB

Which alter ego do you mean? Troy? Or Jacen? Or how about Resurrected Hector?? BTW Of all of your many names, Lam...I like Troy and Jacen the best. And yes...I wondered where you have been?Do you consider me right wing? How about Evil?

I know. I used to be a nice guy until I became filled....with MYSELF!
heh.heh.heh.halleleujah!Editors note: When posting as Reverand Farright, the once fair and balanced Phatboy will become totally irrational and will be a bit of an idiot. Beware! heh heh heh halleleusers!This message has been edited by Reverand Farright, 04-02-2005 11:07 AM

You guys! I go to work for 8 hours and when I come home, you have made such a mess! Tsk Tsk...Troy, if you are talking about food, you had better cook us up some good fixins here! This post is so far off topic and yet somehow...when Troy aka Jacen aka etc etc is involved, we always end up with our favorite Asian boi in a discussion about how the world does not understand him! You da cannibal! Seriously, though..lets think this thing out. We have several liberals here. Troy, Berberry, and Schraf. Holmes also?I am assuming that MessenJah and Prophex are still forming their political ideologies..so they are neutral. I, Reverand Farright, am conservative but my kinder gentler Phatboy is a moderate. OK?In defense of my homie Prophex, I have to remember how I thought when I was 16. First of all, my family has never hated gays. We may have snickered a bit when we would see two guys smooching, but the topic rarely came up when I was young. Of course, the church always has been off the hook about homosexuals...yet I never thought that the church was really very fair.I have met many people since I was 16. One of my childhood buddies turned out to be gay and it was no big deal except when he tried to hit on me! It was an awkward moment and I felt sorry for him, but I
chose not to be gay at that point. I have been around clubs where there were gay people and straight people...and I can honestly say that I did not hate anyone any more than anyone else except for those who were outright jerks! I guess that I like girls and guys both, but I don't label myself as bisexual by any means. I have lots of younger friends like you, Troy...who I could even say that I was attracted to, but not in a sexual way...its like you are my younger brothers I guess.Girls are more mysterious and much tougher to win over...Schraf I will probably never convince you how much Jesus is real!Prophex, I know how you think.(I think!) You have been around the block a few times and most all of your friends seem straight to you...people don't start tripping on their sexuality in the open until they are older...usually. I have met a few young guys your age(15-17) who say that they are gay. I never try and talk them out of it, but I do not encourage it, either.I suppose that Berberry and Troy might say that I am a bigot, but really I don't see it that way. I am just being me.You guys all know..(hopefully) that my favorite guy in the world is Jesus. He is my number one...the only guy that I would ever share my whole heart with. I will try and accept any of you who are homosexual
(berberry and Troy is all I know of...) as Jesus would accept you.All that I ask, Troy, is that you don't feel unloved. I think that the reason that you started this thread is because you think that Right Wing Conservatives hate you. Some may, but I don't.

I've never given it much thought, Rrhain! You actually think that I check guys out like that? Some of my friends may be gay, but I would never know for sure because we never discuss such over the top topics.It is cool to talk about the things like we talk about at EvC. Maybe football. Maybe some women that we know. Maybe share some jokes.
I have made some references to some avatars here at EvC...As for yours, lets just say that you have a face that only a mother could love. Jesus tol me to love you too, so I do..(punk.) :chuckle:This message has been edited by Phatboy, 04-03-2005 12:07 AM

I've never had a sexual relationship with a man (and too few with women!) so I can't relate. I am a conservative because I don't believe that people should have sex so casually. It does not matter what gender pairings we are talking about...casual sex leads to a messed up life!Personally, I don't think that any unmarried people SHOULD be having sex on a regular basis...but I am not the worlds judge and I am too late to say much about that!It is one thing to get all hot and bothered when you are a teenager and get carried away...just about everybody has done that. It is also expected that the first serious relationship of your life will probably have some sexual encounters in it. This is not always true,however.My first serious relationship with a girl ended when she married someone else! I have never had another relationship like that one! I am truly not a lonely person, however. I have many friends of both genders and all of my boys are straight with me. They know that I like them and we are all like brothers! The few women that can put up with my selfish life get along with me better than I deserve also. I may never get married, but if God so wills it I will do it!I have conservative ideas about sexuality. Is this anything BUT evil???This message has been edited by Phatboy, 04-03-2005 12:01 AM

Lets assume for the sake of argument that I was bisexual. Lets assume that (again for the sake of argument) I hit on you. What am I hitting on you for? What is my motive?Lets flip it. What if you were hitting on me. What could you hope to gain? What don't you feel that you have that I have?As for Jesus....why can't He fullfill any of these needs??This message has been edited by Phatboy, 04-03-2005 12:23 AM