Right wing conservatives are evil? Well, I have evidence that they are.

Amensty International seems to think it's a bit cheaper than that. In NY they estimate it as only 3 times as expensive.
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I live in Orlando, Florida and we've had a couple of recent cases where I think the death penalty is appropriate.In one case Jessica Lunsford was raped and killed by a convicted sex offender. Her body was found when the killer told the police where he had buried it. Does anyone here have a problem with a death sentence for this individual.In another case, a group of people had been squatting in a house that was empty during the summer (common down here in FL with all the snowbirds). The owner's grand-daughter came down to live in the house, found the squatters, and had the police evict them. One of the squatters had left an x-box behind and he was so mad about it that he recruited a group of friends, some through threats of violence, to attack the people in the house. All six people and a dog that was in the house were beaten to death with baseball bats. Do these people deserve to live or should they die?I personally don't see anything wrong with the state executing these individuals. I can understand in cases where the evidence is not very clear cut, that one might not want to enact the death penalty, but in some cases there is no doubt about who did it.This message has been edited by kjsimons, 04-11-2005 11:21 AMThis message has been edited by kjsimons, 04-11-2005 11:23 AM

Well you weren't too far off, after all you were within an order of magnitude!

I'm trying to figure out what planet you are from. Your response to my posting is to say the least, bizarre! For instance this from your post: What the heck does this mean? People won't rape and kill if they don't have property rights?!!!! And this: Where did this come from? I mentioned only murder cases, which are a far cry from a misdemeanor jaywalking. I've heard slippery slope arguements before but this is just ludicrous!

From your responses I would have to assume you are from planet Absurbdo or Bizarro! Your argument that that property rights causes rapes and murders is without any merit or evidence. The only people on the planet without property are primitive hunter/gather tribes and not even all of them are without property/possessions. The modern world could not exist without private property. What would be the incentive for people to produce if they could not own anything. You seem to advocate some sort of communism, which has never worked as it goes against human nature.As for the other part of your post. Yes, and as so it is ignored because that is not a valid argument. So I win that point.And as for your point here Not murder by the standard definition, just by yours. I suppose you refer to killing someone in self defense as justifiable murder? Or if someone is killed in an accident its accidental murder? See, I can redefine the word murder too!

Yeah most societies could have been thought as communes, right up until societies started domesticating animals and farming. At this point people started owning more things cause you didn't have to carry everything around with you. This move to property happened long before there were any imperial powers. I stand by my statement that communism goes against human nature, because the rewards of your efforts are not visable. In a small hunter/gather tribe, the whole tribe is closely related to you personally, so anything you do to help the tribe helps your relatives and you can easily see this. Small tribes also used to banish people who didn't fit in or contribute enough to the group. In the harse environs of the past, this could easily have amounted to a death penalty. What kind of society do you envision that we could move on to and how could it work if people didn't own things?

Okay dokay!I created a new coffee house topic, title "Society without property?"

That's a new definition of private property that I'm not familiar with. So property is land, and private property is land I'm not living on? By this definition I'd be a communist except for a parcel of land in Oregon my grandmother gave to my brother and I, not hardly! Oh please! You made a ridiculous slippery slope argument as a comeback and say that you deconstructed my argument, surely you're not serious?! By the same argument I could say those who are for life imprisonment for convicted murderers are also for life imprisonment for jaywalkers, what a joke and what an invalid argument.It's very hard to have a reasoned discussion with someone who has their own personal definitions for every word.

Hi Chiroptera, I responded to this message in the "Society without property?" thread in the coffee house forum if you would like to continue this discussion. I don't wish to incur the wrath of the admins by continuing here!